03-28-2012, 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
Damn! What is the world coming to when boys you played with at the park as kids turn into that? No wonder kids are confused about sexuality. I'm getting confused to what a man and a woman is in this day and age. One thing that cannot be debated she is not what nature intended.
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So much ignorance contained in one tiny paragraph, it's astounding.
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03-28-2012, 11:48 AM
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#62
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Originally Posted by HPLovecraft
God's not real, so here is an imaginary line defined by my own beliefs and prejudices that isn't meant to be crossed to fill the void!
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Heaven forbid I have an opionion and own beliefs. Oh the horror.  Why have a book such as the bible preinstall my beliefs when I can make them on my own?
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03-28-2012, 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
Heaven forbid I have an opionion and own beliefs. Oh the horror. |
Yes the horror, especially when your beliefs are prejudice in nature.
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03-28-2012, 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by rubecube
So much ignorance contained in one tiny paragraph, it's astounding.
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Not really. My opinion simply differs from yours.
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03-28-2012, 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by HELPNEEDED
Yes the horror, especially when your beliefs are prejudice in nature.
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Explain how so? Take some time and put some real though into it.
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03-28-2012, 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
Explain how so? Take some time and put some real though into it.
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
Damn! What is the world coming to when boys you played with at the park as kids turn into that? No wonder kids are confused about sexuality. I'm getting confused to what a man and a woman is in this day and age. One thing that cannot be debated she is not what nature intended.
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I apologize Erick, I must have missed the all inclusive meaning of that note.
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03-28-2012, 11:56 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
Damn! What is the world coming to when boys you played with at the park as kids turn into that? No wonder kids are confused about sexuality. I'm getting confused to what a man and a woman is in this day and age. One thing that cannot be debated she is not what nature intended.
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Well, if you go that way, you can technically argue that anything that requires surgery is not what nature intended.
Or you can go the other way and say the human brain is natural, so anything a human brain does by definition indirectly stems from nature. So if that's the case, then this is perfectly natural.
So no, it can be (and often is) debated quite regularly.
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03-28-2012, 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by HELPNEEDED
I apologize Erick, I must have missed the all inclusive meaning of that note.
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Are saying that what nature intended and my opionion of the girl are two in the same? For the record I have no issues with this girl and what she has chosen to do with herself. If she was my neighbor I would treat her the same as anyone else. Honestly talking race, sexuality, religion is like walking on egg shells these says with everyone's prejudice guns cocked, loaded and ready to fire.
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03-28-2012, 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by The Yen Man
Well, if you go that way, you can technically argue that anything that requires surgery is not what nature intended.
Or you can go the other way and say the human brain is natural, so anything a human brain does by definition indirectly stems from nature. So if that's the case, then this is perfectly natural.
So no, it can be (and often is) debated quite regularly.
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I hear what you are saying but there's a difference between trying to perserve life and altering genetics beacuse you are not happy with who you are. One is necessary to preserve life, the other is not.
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03-28-2012, 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by The Yen Man
Well, if you go that way, you can technically argue that anything that requires surgery is not what nature intended.
Or you can go the other way and say the human brain is natural, so anything a human brain does by definition indirectly stems from nature. So if that's the case, then this is perfectly natural.
So no, it can be (and often is) debated quite regularly.
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Don't forget the god angle - god hates everybody that isn't like him, but also everybody is created exactly like he wanted. So again, it's all good, except everybody needs to hate themselves.
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03-28-2012, 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
I hear what you are saying but there's a difference between trying to perserve life and altering genetics beacuse you are not happy with who you are. One is necessary to preserve life, the other is not.
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This is getting into a very gray area. This boils down to nobody should get a benign tumor removed, have Lasik, get reconstructive surgery if they're a burn or accident victim. Where would you draw a realistic line then?
Your belief system would solve a lot of wait time issues in Canadian hospitals though but I think the quality of life would go down a lot.
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03-28-2012, 12:24 PM
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I think the best way to solve all our confusions is to take everyone in this thread to Thailand and fill a room with 50% women and 50% transsexuals, get everyone drunk and see what you wake up with next day.
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03-28-2012, 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Thor
I think the best way to solve all our confusions is to take everyone in this thread to Thailand and fill a room with 50% women and 50% transsexuals, get everyone drunk and see what you wake up with next day.
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Ahh, the excuse you've been waiting for all these years to bed a lady-boy finally presents itself.
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03-28-2012, 12:29 PM
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Does a person who as had a sex change disclose that they used to be a man prior to hooking up with some one? What are the ethics around that? Does it make a difference if it is a one nighter or a real relationship? I think I would want to know in advance but it certainly wouldn't be my right to know.
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03-28-2012, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Sliver
Ahh, the excuse you've been waiting for all these years to bed a lady-boy finally presents itself.
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Bragger!!
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03-28-2012, 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Thor
I think the best way to solve all our confusions is to take everyone in this thread to Thailand and fill a room with 50% women and 50% transsexuals, get everyone drunk and see what you wake up with next day.
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Even when hammered you should still spot the adams apple.
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03-28-2012, 12:30 PM
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Took an arrow to the knee
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
Heaven forbid I have an opionion and own beliefs. Oh the horror. Why have a book such as the bible preinstall my beliefs when I can make them on my own? |
No one cares if you have an opinion. Everyone has one, it isn't special. You miss the point.
Believing there is some sort of arbitrary, ill-defined and universal "natural boundary" not meant to be crossed, when your said boundary is nothing more than the product of your own beliefs and prejudices is sign of an asinine argument, if an argument that was meant to be. It's the argument of the religious, minus the wrappings of God.
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03-28-2012, 12:34 PM
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Norm!
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Originally Posted by GGG
Does a person who as had a sex change disclose that they used to be a man prior to hooking up with some one? What are the ethics around that? Does it make a difference if it is a one nighter or a real relationship? I think I would want to know in advance but it certainly wouldn't be my right to know.
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Have you not watched Jerry Springer and a bunch of those other trash T.V. shows with titles like "Surprise my hot girl friend is a man".
I think there was a murder suicide caused by one of those shows where the guests girlfriend disclosed that she used to be a man to her boyfriend for the first time in front of a live studio audience and when he got home he killed her and himself.
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Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!
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03-28-2012, 12:40 PM
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Took an arrow to the knee
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Toronto
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
Are saying that what nature intended and my opionion of the girl are two in the same? For the record I have no issues with this girl and what she has chosen to do with herself. If she was my neighbor I would treat her the same as anyone else. Honestly talking race, sexuality, religion is like walking on egg shells these says with everyone's prejudice guns cocked, loaded and ready to fire.
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Since when does nature intend anything?
Before anyone can argue or debate this with you, I think you need to define what you mean by this. This going against the "natural way of things" is what you seem to disagree with, not specifically who or what this person chooses to be, yes?
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03-28-2012, 01:12 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: CALGARY
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
I hear what you are saying but there's a difference between trying to perserve life and altering genetics beacuse you are not happy with who you are. One is necessary to preserve life, the other is not.
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In the case of most transgendered people, it is not a case of they are not happy with who they are. We are all not happy with ourselves in some way. Do you love every physical attribute of yourself?
Imagine, just for a minute, that your brain believes you are male, but you have female anatomy. Do you think you could lead a normal, happy and productive life?
Going through gender re-assignment surgery is not something that one can just do. Most going through the process are there for 3+ years.
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