If she had been eliminated in competition, that would be different from being disqualified.
From a fairness/competition angle, being born male has to be a huge disadvantage in a beauty pagent.
That's definitely a valid point. I think that being a male could be an advantage, better muscular definition, lower body fat. As long as the fact that you were a male wasn't disclosed in advance.
The real reason that the company doesn't want transgendered people in the competition is that the audience of beauty pagents wants to decide which contestant they want to sleep with and a large portion of the population doesn't want to find out they were jerking off to a women who used to to be a man.
Does anyone actually watch these things?
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Not that I care either way because I could not possibly watch this crap, .....but if transgendered people are allowed to participate in these pageants who on earth would watch them? ...and therefore who would sponsor them into existence?.
I would imagine Dap would be on it like white on rice.
Its complete BS she got kicked out. Obviously, at the age of four she did not choose to be a girl; just one of natures mess ups a girls mind in a male body.
Because "he" at age 4 didn't like to play with trucks but rather dolls doesn't mean "he" should have been a she. To medically change yourself from male to female doesn't make you female or vice versa.
Does she bear two X chromosomes?
Does she produce egg cells?
Fairly sure the answers are a big no.
The beauty pageant is for women,not people wanting to be a women because it felt better and more natural being feminine growing up. Let me be clear, I'm not gay bashing or anything like it and good for her because of science "he" looks like a hot chick but underneath the hormonal boobs,the clipped off male parts..."she" is still a "he".
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Sexuality is who you choose to go to bed with. Gender is what you identify as. These aren't always as black and white as western society sees it and wants it to be.
There's nothing wrong with transgender people and they certainly aren't an "abomination". That's complete ignorance and hate talking.
Transgendered people have existed since the beginning of human history and in many cultures they had important roles like caregivers and medicine people. They were respected.
It just shows how sick our society is that people can't be whatever it is they were born to be and choose to be.
I guess it is a positive when situations like these are brought into the public consciousness so there can be discussion and education.
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Technically speaking, the rules did state the participant had to be born female, whether we agree with it or not. If the wording was just participants must be female aged 18 and above....then it would have been fine since by legal definition in Canada, she is female (her birth records and official documents are changed post surgery)
Being born male before transitioning, is definitely not an advantage in my opinion. She is very fortunate that she started transitioning early to be able to develop her feminine characteristics, but there are still many things that can't be changed including bone structure and muscle definition.
Echoed by many here, this is fundamentally a beauty competition. She was pretty enough to make it through the first several rounds and was on the cusp of making it to the finals before her biological gender was revealed. Unless the competition was all natural, she essentially just had more work done than the other contestants. I do imagine that the level of uneasy in the other women who may have lost out to her may be feeling
Lastly, based on experience in University psychology, and personal experience with transgendered people, She is female. Some genetic and developmental switch just didn't turn on at the right time. If you cut open a male and a female brain (in the lab) and compared the two, there are differences between them. In transexuals, their brains do resemble more closely to female brains than males. This leads to gender being something more of a sliding scale than a binary switch.
While the male population that cross dress is quite high, those that essentally go all the way are very rare. As someone I knew once told me, most people can't understand what they are feeling. It would be equivalent of starting the day tomorrow with everyone in the whole world suddenly treating you and expecting you to be the opposite sex. It sort of like playing a role, but never feeling like you are being true to yourself. Also, gender and sexuality are different things. This isn't a thrill or sexual thing, but a life thing.
Anyways, that's my 2 cents
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The pageant is owned privately and they have their rules. She is disqualified because she was not eligible under those rules. The real topic for debate is do you support the pageant in this decision and choose to watch it based on this decision.
Technically speaking, the rules did state the participant had to be born female, whether we agree with it or not. If the wording was just participants must be female aged 18 and above....then it would have been fine since by legal definition in Canada, she is female (her birth records and official documents are changed post surgery)
Being born male before transitioning, is definitely not an advantage in my opinion. She is very fortunate that she started transitioning early to be able to develop her feminine characteristics, but there are still many things that can't be changed including bone structure and muscle definition.
Echoed by many here, this is fundamentally a beauty competition. She was pretty enough to make it through the first several rounds and was on the cusp of making it to the finals before her biological gender was revealed. Unless the competition was all natural, she essentially just had more work done than the other contestants. I do imagine that the level of uneasy in the other women who may have lost out to her may be feeling
Lastly, based on experience in University psychology, and personal experience with transgendered people, She is female. Some genetic and developmental switch just didn't turn on at the right time. If you cut open a male and a female brain (in the lab) and compared the two, there are differences between them. In transexuals, their brains do resemble more closely to female brains than males. This leads to gender being something more of a sliding scale than a binary switch.
While the male population that cross dress is quite high, those that essentally go all the way are very rare. As someone I knew once told me, most people can't understand what they are feeling. It would be equivalent of starting the day tomorrow with everyone in the whole world suddenly treating you and expecting you to be the opposite sex. It sort of like playing a role, but never feeling like you are being true to yourself. Also, gender and sexuality are different things. This isn't a thrill or sexual thing, but a life thing.
Anyways, that's my 2 cents
the thing is the kid was born female, just in the wrong body.
Because "he" at age 4 didn't like to play with trucks but rather dolls doesn't mean "he" should have been a she. To medically change yourself from male to female doesn't make you female or vice versa.
Does she bear two X chromosomes?
Does she produce egg cells?
Fairly sure the answers are a big no.
The beauty pageant is for women,not people wanting to be a women because it felt better and more natural being feminine growing up. Let me be clear, I'm not gay bashing or anything like it and good for her because of science "he" looks like a hot chick but underneath the hormonal boobs,the clipped off male parts..."she" is still a "he".
2nd most stupid post on this forum.
Let me start by setting the record straight here. You claim you are not gay bashing, that on its own shows that you are since this is not a subject about homosexuality but rather gender confusion or identification. Its not like she thought "i'm a guy and i want to be with a guy". It was more, as a child, I"m totaly a girl its not about things I play with its about how i associate things, colors, objects and stuff (doctors normally determine this). This absolutley had nothing to do with what "feels" better but with what felt right.
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Just because you wake up one morning and are convinced that you are a duck, does not mean you are a duck.
The Miss Universe pageant is like the Olympics of pageants and I equate this to the situation with that "female" runner that they found out was mostly "male". The rules are the rules.
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Our society only recognizes a gender binary and that is a huge problem.
There are many people on this planet who do not fit into that mold and unfortunately they are labelled freaks, abominations etc.
These transgendered people are HUMAN BEINGS.
They can't do things we take for granted like choosing a bathroom without fearing for their safety and many are lucky if they're even allowed to board a freaking plane.
These people are at much higher risk for everything under the sun, you name it. Violence, suicide, drug use...
Some can't even turn to their own families for understanding. How pathetic is that?
and we call ourselves civilized. It's a joke.
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No offense is meant by this but do you really want to be posting stuff like this on a public forum with your work profile right under?
What?
Why would that be an issue? God forbid he actually have personality and an opinion while trying to simultaneously promote his business.
Are you saying that you would purposely avoid a realtor on ethical grounds because he said he might be hesitant to have sex with a tranny? (albeit a hot one)
I don't find that offensive and I'm willing to bet that 99% of guys would very much not like to have sex with someone who was born a man.
Nothing about what he said is insensitive, crass, derogatory or offensive in any way.
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Damn! What is the world coming to when boys you played with at the park as kids turn into that? No wonder kids are confused about sexuality. I'm getting confused to what a man and a woman is in this day and age. One thing that cannot be debated she is not what nature intended.
Damn! What is the world coming to when boys you played with at the park as kids turn into that? No wonder kids are confused about sexuality. I'm getting confused to what a man and a woman is. I don't think this is what nature intended.
Thats like saying nature did not intend other birth defects like missing limbs, ######ations, mental illnesses.... again nature is not perfect.
Thats like saying nature did not intend other birth defects like missing limbs, ######ations, mental illnesses.... again nature is not perfect.
If you were born with a birth defect how was it not intended? It was in fact the cards you were dealt. We all know we do not get a choice of hair color, penis length, height, brain function, etc. This man-made gender benging is not natural at all.
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If you were born with a birth defect how was it not intended? It was in fact the cards you were dealt. This man-made gender benging is not natural at all.
So if she was born with the brain of a female, she has the right to choose what to do with her body and people have to accept it.
Unfortunatley thats the way it is.
- And further, the way you put it is that "god chooses", not everyone has that belief. I myself do.
- And further, the way you put it is that "god chooses", not everyone has that belief. I myself do.
How did you come to that conclusion? God is a fairy tale. Science is the only real truth. It's biology and completely natural why people are born the way they are. Some people can't accept they are short and wear platform shoes. Some people can't accept their hair color so they dye it. Some people can't accept their penis length so they have it enlarged. Some people can't accept their appearance so they get a nose job. Some people can't accept their gender so they change it. Is any of this wrong? Absolutely not but it's gone from simple things like shoes and hair dye to surgery and gender benging and going back to my original post it is not natural and humans are starting to cross boundaries that I'm not sure were meant to be crossed.
