Sven "Fricken" Bartschi!

[the_professsor]

Originally Posted by Where ru Chris O'Sullivan

Are you stupid?

I don't think so...but its possible.

Originally Posted by Where ru Chris O'Sullivan

As for Matty's way to get below 50 contracts (put up someone to get claimed) I would vote: Michael Backlund

You clearly are

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Ace

Could the flames buy someone out to kill a contract?

No. There are only two buy out windows: In the week leading up to free agency, and a special one only following a player-initiated arbitration hearing.

It is possible to place a player on unconditional waivers for the purpose of terminating a contract, but I am fairly certain that requires mutual agreement between the player and team.

If the contract limit wasn't an issue, could the flames circumvent the burning of a year on the ELC by signing a contract that is one year longer (than whatever) assuming svens camp agrees? I don't know how these work anyway...

No. A contract may not be renegotiated after it is signed, and an extension cannot be signed until the final year of the existing deal. Besides, there is no reason why a player would agree to such an idea. It would cost them a great deal of money in their fourth year.

[Stay Golden]

Backlund and Baertschi are not even at the same level. Backlund will be out pointed by Sven next year. Do not Sutterize this uber talented kid.

[CaptainCrunch]

We are rushing way ahead of ourselves in looking at why we should keep the kid up.

But, and I know its heartbreaking that he's going back to Portland and a lot of us are probably out of tissues so its ok to let those tears run down your cheeks.

But sending this kid right into the playoffs in Portland is great for him, and allows the Flames to evaluate the kid based on playoff hockey.

The Flames can give him a list of things to work on, and you know now that he's gotten a taste that he'll do it

The kid is 19, we'll have lots of time to play with our action figure, let Portland have some fun to.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Where ru Chris O'Sullivan

Are you stupid? Run show in the WHL playoffs? THIS (the team that drafted him, needs him right now.) We have a handfull of young guys, who arent point/10 games played scorers and you want to "save his eligibility" for another year, when the only time of the season that matters is now til and including playoffs? On a team that lacks scoring / but has elite goaltending...wow.

I guess posters like yourself are bi-products of where this team is talented youth wise, but this team needs him as they need his scoring punch. As for the 50 Contracts, pin that on Feaster then, If I had known 50 contracts makes Sven inelgible to stay, It should be easy math to never go above 49 (especially when you actually have a 1st round pick in junior). Ill sleep better now, knowing we got Kolanos to help fill the net for Abby.......

As for Matty's way to get below 50 contracts (put up someone to get claimed) I would vote: Michael Backlund

Once again, since you clearly need help on this front: The 50 contract issue only becomes a problem if we go deeper in our playoffs than Portland does in theirs. WE CANNOT KEEP BAERTSCHI FOR ANY REASON ONCE WE GET ANOTHER FORWARD HEALTHY. There is no way it can happen. None. Zero. Impossible. He must be returned to Portland at that point, and this is not negotiable.

It took a perfect storm of injuries for him to come up in the first place and to suggest that Feaster should have planned for something like this is, frankly, idiotic. Especially since there is no justifiable reason to burn a year of his ELC. Because if we did, people like you would be trashing him three years from now for wasting a year of Baertschi's contract when he's making $4 million+ instead of $1 million on the next deal.

And that does not even touch on the stupidity of your suggestion to get rid of Backlund's contract, even though there is no way we can do that either.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Where ru Chris O'Sullivan

Are you stupid? Run show in the WHL playoffs? THIS (the team that drafted him, needs him right now.) We have a handfull of young guys, who arent point/10 games played scorers and you want to "save his eligibility" for another year, when the only time of the season that matters is now til and including playoffs? On a team that lacks scoring / but has elite goaltending...wow.

I guess posters like yourself are bi-products of where this team is talented youth wise, but this team needs him as they need his scoring punch. As for the 50 Contracts, pin that on Feaster then, If I had known 50 contracts makes Sven inelgible to stay, It should be easy math to never go above 49 (especially when you actually have a 1st round pick in junior). Ill sleep better now, knowing we got Kolanos to help fill the net for Abby.......

As for Matty's way to get below 50 contracts (put up someone to get claimed) I would vote: Michael Backlund

[Lt.Spears]

Chris O'Sullivan... you really need to understand this isnt about this season, its about the future of the Franchise, its not like this team is going to be instant contenders with Sven in the lineup.

Best asset management would be to send him back and not burn a year off his ELC.

Not to mention we dont really have a choice anyways, he is going to get sent down as soon as another player comes back, no way around that.

[Hockeyguy15]

Question...Let's just say no injuries return and Sven plays 9 games do we have to send him down before his contract kicks in since we are at 50?

[sworkhard]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Question...Let's just say no injuries return and Sven plays 9 games do we have to send him down before his contract kicks in since we are at 50?

Yes

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Where ru Chris O'Sullivan

Are you stupid? Run show in the WHL playoffs? THIS (the team that drafted him, needs him right now.) We have a handfull of young guys, who arent point/10 games played scorers and you want to "save his eligibility" for another year, when the only time of the season that matters is now til and including playoffs? On a team that lacks scoring / but has elite goaltending...wow.

I guess posters like yourself are bi-products of where this team is talented youth wise, but this team needs him as they need his scoring punch. As for the 50 Contracts, pin that on Feaster then, If I had known 50 contracts makes Sven inelgible to stay, It should be easy math to never go above 49 (especially when you actually have a 1st round pick in junior). Ill sleep better now, knowing we got Kolanos to help fill the net for Abby.......

As for Matty's way to get below 50 contracts (put up someone to get claimed) I would vote: Michael Backlund

I am not sure what is worse, your post or that someone thanked you for it.

[Where ru Chris O'Sullivan]

Originally Posted by valo403

That doesn't make it less stupid

We'll miss his 11 pts or pro-rated 22pts. but, we'll get over him. Trust me.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Where ru Chris O'Sullivan

We'll miss his 11 pts or pro-rated 22pts. but, we'll get over him. Trust me.

What's your problem? Did he crush your dreams?

Backlund may not turn out to be what many hope but he's still a decent, cheapish, young player....something we need more of not less. What's wrong with that???

[c.t.ner]

Originally Posted by Where ru Chris O'Sullivan

We'll miss his 11 pts or pro-rated 22pts. but, we'll get over him. Trust me.

Sorry, this is ridiculous. I know Backlund has had a disappointing season, but the rationale of dumping Backlund because we have Sven is ridiculous. Why not see what Backlund and Sven can do as a tandem.

From Sven's production in the Dub, it's clear that he makes players around him stronger, so why not pair him with Backlund for a full season. Backlund has the chops to be a strong centre in the NHL, there's no denying that. Maybe Sven is the catalyst to make him realize his potential. At least give them a year together and go from there. Dumping a highly talented prospect so we can get one highly talented prospect to play 10 games is absurd.

And people say Sutter was bad at asset management. wow.

[FlamesAddiction]

So if Baertschi's contract doesn't officially kick in until after 10 games, does he still get paid at his entry level contract rate, or is he still only making his WHL stipend?

[CaptainCrunch]

He's getting paid NHL money, a nice little bonus for him.

[Where ru Chris O'Sullivan]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Once again, since you clearly need help on this front: The 50 contract issue only becomes a problem if we go deeper in our playoffs than Portland does in theirs. WE CANNOT KEEP BAERTSCHI FOR ANY REASON ONCE WE GET ANOTHER FORWARD HEALTHY. There is no way it can happen. None. Zero. Impossible. He must be returned to Portland at that point, and this is not negotiable.

It took a perfect storm of injuries for him to come up in the first place and to suggest that Feaster should have planned for something like this is, frankly, idiotic. Especially since there is no justifiable reason to burn a year of his ELC. Because if we did, people like you would be trashing him three years from now for wasting a year of Baertschi's contract when he's making $4 million+ instead of $1 million on the next deal.

And that does not even touch on the stupidity of your suggestion to get rid of Backlund's contract, even though there is no way we can do that either.

What!?!!?!!?!?
1) I am not versed on the CBA - some posters are saying if we had 49 contracts we could infact (I assume sign him?) and keep him here from now til our season/hopefully post-season ends? (hence wishing we had 49, not 50 contracts in-house).
2) We are in agreement, that even Sven our lord and saviour still ages? If he's not aging and infact immortal then we are not wasting his NHL career by letting him to return to Portland - I apologize. On a team that spends to cap every year, a team that pays J-bo 6.68M/ Stajan 3.5M / Comeau 2.5/ etc etc, why would I care if someones eligibilty comes 1 year sooner? lol? If your telling me as I think you are, that he, by staying up now (when we need him more than ever) is going to cost us 1 whole season sooner, a whopping 3,4,5 million more than he would make, where is my cheque book??

Seriously guys?? if the drawback is paying him real money 1 year earlier than projected, but were getting this kind of performance from him down the stretch and hopefully into the post-season... I dont know where your heads are, truly.

The only thing going to waste is talent that would be better served playing in the big league vs. tearing up a boys league.

Shame on you CP, so easily apologetic to players like CT, like Backs etc. that havent shown a thing in a flames jersey, but when real talent appears (nm actually backs it up with important goals in important games) you discount it and instead pretend to worry about the "overall state of this franchise"...Iggy and Kipper are real and there here now...this maybe their final hours, this is when you pull out the stops.

[the-rasta-masta]

It only seems natural that this kid's nickname become "The Bear".

He is from Bern, Switzerland. They have bear pits in the middle of the city. Not in a zoo... right in the city. Seriously. Bear pits.

[edn88]

Scott Cruickshank ‏ @CruickshankCH
Assuming #Flames give Sven Baertschi a different sweater number next season -- try 77 (sventy-sven).

Took me a second to see where he was coming from with 77...

[the-rasta-masta]

Originally Posted by edn88

Took me a second to see where he was coming from with 77...

This needs to be done.

[Canada 02]

even if the Flames could waive an injured Backlund (which they can't)
even if the Flames had 49 contracts
and even if the Flames wanted to burn a year of his ELC

Sven started the season in the CHL, which means he cannot play in the NHL, except under emergency recall. Once the emergency is over, he must be sent back to Portland. Trying to conjure up some loop hole is pointless. There is no choice!