Sven "Fricken" Bartschi!

[sworkhard]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

I suppose we just have varying views on where we believe Sven stands at this point in time. My confusion specifically stems from the fact that Sutter did not trust Baertschi in the 2nd period (after scoring a goal) and yet had him out there in every key situation in the final period and into overtime.

Like I said, I could just be digging to far into something that really is not that big of an issue. (Which I tend to do from time to time)

He was put in key offensive situations, but not in key defensive ones. Key offensive opportunities didn't exist after the Flames went up by one, but did after the game was tied. Key offensive situations are defined by me as situations where Sven has a legit change of scoring, and a much smaller chance of being scored on. The opposite is true of a key defensive situation.

Flames were playing on their toes when Sven was out there instead of being trapped in their own zone which is the big difference. That gives Sven a chance to use his best tools and get some scoring chances (he only had one shot on goal last game, but he scored on it for example). That's the biggest different between the second and third period. There were on their toes in overtime as well. When the Flames are on their toes and playing well, they are a very good team and a team that covers for each others mistakes. When they are on their heals, that doesn't happen. To me it's simply about making sure you put Baertchi in situations where he can succeed, and those situations are offensive ones, not defensive ones.

Outside of some very elite players, most 19 year old very good players take 2-3 years before they can move the puck north like a good top 6er, and it's why outside of some really smart two way young players like Horak, you rarely see players under the age of 22 get buried in terms of zone starts.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by sworkhard

Outside of some very elite players, most 19 year old very good players take 2-3 years before they can move the puck north like a good top 6er, and it's why outside of some really smart two way young players like Horak, you rarely see players under the age of 22 get buried in terms of zone starts.

I was feeling good about Sven. Now I'm feeling good about Horak too !

[sworkhard]

Originally Posted by TheMagicMan

Does anyone know regarding the 10 game maximum rookie rule.....

Say if Sven plays 9 games in the NHL, gets sent back to the Winterhawks, and his WHL team exits early...Flames call him back for the playoffs, would the playoffs count as game 10, 11, 12 and 13, etc? Or would that be under a different rule?

I believe playoffs count as game 10,11,12,13 based on these two clauses in the CBA

Under definitions:

"NHL Games" means Regular Season Games and Playoff Games.

Under the rules regarding entry level contracts

Section 9.1
(d) (i) In the event that an 18 year old or 19 year old Player signs an SPC
with a Club but does not play at least ten (10) NHL Games in the first season under that
SPC, the term of his SPC and his number of years in the Entry Level System shall be
extended for a period of one (1) year, except that this automatic extension will not apply
to a Player who is 19 according to Section 9.2 by virtue of turning 20 between September
16 and December 31 in the year in which he first signs an SPC. Unless a Player and Club
expressly agree to the contrary, in the event a Player's SPC is extended an additional year
in accordance with this subsection, all terms of the SPC, with the exception of Signing
Bonuses, but including Paragraph 1 Salary, games played bonuses and Exhibit 5 bonuses,
shall be extended; provided, however, that the Player's Paragraph 1 Salary shall be
extended in all circumstances.24
(ii) In the event that a Player signs his first SPC at age 18 and has had
his SPC extended pursuant to Subsection (i), and such Player does
not play at least ten (10) NHL Games in the second season under
that SPC, then the term of his SPC and his number of years in the
Entry Level System shall be extended for one (1) additional year.
Unless a Player and Club expressly agree to the contrary, in the
event a Player's SPC is extended an additional year in accordance
with this Subsection, all terms of the SPC, with the exception of
Signing Bonuses, but including Paragraph 1 Salary, games played
bonuses and Exhibit 5 bonuses, shall be extended; provided,
however, that the Player's Paragraph 1 Salary shall be extended in
all circumstances

[malcolmk14]

Originally Posted by TheMagicMan

Does anyone know regarding the 10 game maximum rookie rule.....

Say if Sven plays 9 games in the NHL, gets sent back to the Winterhawks, and his WHL team exits early...Flames call him back for the playoffs, would the playoffs count as game 10, 11, 12 and 13, etc? Or would that be under a different rule?

Playoff games count as games towards his contract. Check my posts on the topic earlier in this thread for relevant sections of the CBA.

[Kipperking]

I really hope Sven never comes across this thread or else he will feel a sudden weight of CPs expectations on his shoulders.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by timbit
Playoff games count against the 10 game limit exactly the same as regular season.

As a matter of fact....if he goes to Abbotsford when Portland is done...those games count as well.

I think you forgot about the ATO contracts that juniors and graduating college players sign with AHL teams. He can go to Abbotsford and it won't count against his NHL contract. I remember Mitch Wahl did this a couple of years ago. It's pretty common.

[Split98]

Originally Posted by Kipperking

I really hope Sven never comes across this thread or else he will feel a sudden weight of CPs expectations on his shoulders.

I think the immediate media attention he's received will have given him a pretty solid indication of how important a player fans believe him to be.

[T@T]

Tries (and usually fails) to beat d-men with junior stick moves.

Originally Posted by PlayfulGenius

Booo... that was Ray Ferraro trying to sound smart. He tried to put the puck through the skates of Brent Burns... Tanguay and Iginla try moves like that multiple times per game, and NHLers make that same move work plenty of times... Sven tried, Burns stopped... I think its silly to suggest that was some rookie mistake, its not like he thwarted an odd-man rush or something, he was trying to create an odd-man situation.

Furthermore, Burns committed to the puck on the play (as opposed to the body) which is exactly what Sven wanted... if Burns is a second late in getting his skate turned, that a quality scoring chance for the Flames... low risk, high reward in my book.

I just wish TSN would leave Ray "yellow teeth" Ferraro a million miles away from a flames broadcast, Sven could have scored 4 goals he would find something wrong with his game but if an Oiler rookie got a shot on goal he would have a boner for 3 hours.

I can't stand the creep.

[FlyingDonutz]

You know im kinda frustrated because we as a flames organization have to send Sven back as soon as an injured player returns. If I am correct, anyways. But the Preds are allowed to bring back what would be a HUGE swing in their favour for the cup right into their favour. If we could bring Sven to the playoffs or the rest of the race for them we'd be helped a lot.

[FlyingDonutz]

Originally Posted by fotze

Ha ha Sven, look at what you got yourself into playing for this team, for these fans.

When you play your first 3 games as a flame, and score 2 goals in that timeframe, 2 fantastic goals, both of which you worked for, one of which you set up right from the get-go, and both were goal scorers goals, you generally have high expectations. Scoring 96 points in a matter of what, 44 games, in the CHL, which has much more young talent then the AHL, you are generally expected to be a great player. he's not got stats like Lemeiux, or Gretzky, but he's coming up to Crosby or Ovechkin with his play in the minors.

[Mass_nerder]

Originally Posted by FlyingDonutz

When you play your first 3 games as a flame, and score 2 goals in that timeframe, 2 fantastic goals, both of which you worked for, one of which you set up right from the get-go, and both were goal scorers goals, you generally have high expectations. Scoring 96 points in a matter of what, 44 games, in the CHL, which has much more young talent then the AHL, you are generally expected to be a great player. he's not got stats like Lemeiux, or Gretzky, but he's coming up to Crosby or Ovechkin with his play in the minors.

I think Sven is going to be the best player we've drafted in a good while. That being said, he's no where near Crosby's numbers (168 point in 62 games in his 18 yr old season in junior)

[Lt.Spears]

Originally Posted by FlyingDonutz

You know im kinda frustrated because we as a flames organization have to send Sven back as soon as an injured player returns. If I am correct, anyways. But the Preds are allowed to bring back what would be a HUGE swing in their favour for the cup right into their favour. If we could bring Sven to the playoffs or the rest of the race for them we'd be helped a lot.

We could keep Sven, but why burn a year on his ELC when we dont have to, he isnt going to make us into an instant contender (not even close). Radulov is a superior player ATM and is already under contract by the preds.

They arnt even in the same category.

[Husky]

Originally Posted by Lt.Spears

We could keep Sven, but why burn a year on his ELC when we dont have to, he isnt going to make us into an instant contender (not even close). Radulov is a superior player ATM and is already under contract by the preds.

They arnt even in the same category.

Actually I do not believe he is under contract. They own his rights but he hasn't signed a contract yet (unless its happened in the last week).

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by Husky

Actually I do not believe he is under contract. They own his rights but he hasn't signed a contract yet (unless its happened in the last week).

Radulov has one year left on his contract back from when he walked away. It's still in effect.

[Where ru Chris O'Sullivan]

If he has a strong game again tonight - with the remaining key injuries (cammy and brodie), waive Kolanos and sign Sven, keep him up. Who cares if were burning a year of his elgibility, Mikka nor Iggy are getting younger, this may be our best chance with everyone here.

[the_professsor]

Originally Posted by Where ru Chris O'Sullivan

If he has a strong game again tonight - with the remaining key injuries (cammy and brodie), waive Kolanos and sign Sven, keep him up. Who cares if were burning a year of his elgibility, Mikka nor Iggy are getting younger, this may be our best chance with everyone here.

Our best chance of what? Making the playoffs and getting crushed in the 1st round?

I understand a few wins can create optimism, but we're still in 10th place right now. Lets not get carried away, send Sven down and let him run show in the WHL playoffs.

[prizefighterinferno]

Originally Posted by Where ru Chris O'Sullivan

If he has a strong game again tonight - with the remaining key injuries (cammy and brodie), waive Kolanos and sign Sven, keep him up. Who cares if were burning a year of his elgibility, Mikka nor Iggy are getting younger, this may be our best chance with everyone here.

Firstly, he is already under contract. Secondly, keeping him is a much-reiterated impossibility, because a) Calgary is already at 50 contracts. Sven's contact would kick in after the ninth game thereby putting them over the limit, and b) He is up under emergency recall parameters, which necessitates that he be sent back to junior when the emergency spot he is occupying is filled by a returning regular player.

[Gary83]

Sven is showing he belongs in the NHL. The only way he is going to get better is to play against tougher competition, not by owning everyone in the WHL. If the opportunity is there for him to be playing in the NHL this year and in the playoffs then it needs to happen.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Gary83

Sven is showing he belongs in the NHL. The only way he is going to get better is to play against tougher competition, not by owning everyone in the WHL. If the opportunity is there for him to be playing in the NHL this year and in the playoffs then it needs to happen.

Well thankfully the opportunity will not likely be there and no way is it worth it for him to get a few more games in the NHL to burn a year of his ELC and have him miss out on a long run and possible Memorial Cup victory.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Poe969

He's young and will get faster

He's already showing maturity being calm with the puck and his patience will probably get even better

He's using whats worked for him so far and will only develop better moves to get around d-men

His stick handling and strength will increase and he'll be better with the puck in traffic

He's got 2 goals in 3 games.

The kid seems pretty legit so far.

I agree 100 per cent. What's makes you think I believe otherwise?