Nine-year-old forced to run off a chocolate bar for 3 hours is dead.

[First Lady]

The one I feel for in all this is the father. Comes home from working overseas -
daughter dead
wife in jail
mother in jail
his other two kids (one born by the mother just before being charged) are in custody of child services.

[Henry Fool]

Not a chance this was only the first incident of abuse. You don't just suddenly get together with grandma and do this kind of thing. Poor girl must have had a very sad life being at the mercy of sadists.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

The girl's mom and grandmother you shouldn't give two poops about, the girl however I feel sad about, yes for sure.

I am not about to get on my high horse about this, and I've never been above bad poorly timed jokes in the past... but just because the girls caretakers were horrible people, doesn't mean the 9 year old girl was.

Very good point, by no means did she deserve it. She was effectively tortured. I dont know how people could do that to a kid.

Originally Posted by First Lady

The one I feel for in all this is the father. Comes home from working overseas -
daughter dead
wife in jail
mother in jail
his other two kids (one born by the mother just before being charged) are in custody of child services.

This whole situation is absurd, what will probably horrify him more is the idea that who knows what else these people have been doing to his kids while hes been away.

[Radio]

She wasn't given any water during the 3 hours, according to the press conference I saw last night. She was severely dehydrated, that's what caused the seizures and her subsequent death. Her father works overseas and had to travel home only to be given the difficult task of taking her off life support. The grandmother administered the punishment, the stepmother just let it happen...

[Henry Fool]

Originally Posted by Radio

She wasn't given any water during the 3 hours, according to the press conference I saw last night. She was severely dehydrated, that's what caused the seizures and her subsequent death. Her father works overseas and had to travel home only to be given the difficult task of taking her off life support. The grandmother administered the punishment, the stepmother just let it happen...

They actively watched her suffer for 3 hours. She was probably in pain after 15 minutes. Imagine watching that for 3 hours. They were getting off on it, they enjoy cruel, arbitrary punishment. Who knows what had been going on before that.

[Thor]

Court records show that Robert Hardin filed for divorce in August of 2010. In his complaint, he asserted his wife was bi-polar and of had alcoholic tendencies. He accused her of previously having run off with the couple’s own child. In her response, Jessica denied all of Robert’s allegations.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by valo403

I can't figure out if this is serious or not. It's tantamount to saying "I don't think punishment is deserved if there is no other history of murder."

The child was forced to run until she died for christ sake

It all depends on circumstance. If the parents told the kid to go run outside for three hours because she ate the choclate bar and she didn't complain, or ask for water, or look in distress then why would they have thought anything was wrong. We used to go on Bike Rides and Hikes that long regularly. When I was 7 I was going on 8 hour hikes through the mountains. If I would have had a seisure and died would that have been murder? So based on what was initially reported I stand by my statement.

If on the otherhand the mom and grandmother watched her suffer and yelled at her to run harder and denied her water when she asked for it. Then I think you have a murder charge. Now as more info comes out it sounds like murder may be a reasonable charge

But just because someone died of physical activity doesn't make it Murder.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by GGG

It all depends on circumstance. If the parents told the kid to go run outside for three hours because she ate the choclate bar and she didn't complain, or ask for water, or look in distress then why would they have thought anything was wrong. We used to go on Bike Rides and Hikes that long regularly. When I was 7 I was going on 8 hour hikes through the mountains. If I would have had a seisure and died would that have been murder? So based on what was initially reported I stand by my statement.

If on the otherhand the mom and grandmother watched her suffer and yelled at her to run harder and denied her water when she asked for it. Then I think you have a murder charge. Now as more info comes out it sounds like murder may be a reasonable charge

But just because someone died of physical activity doesn't make it Murder.

First, that's quite clearly not what happened and the reporting on the incident makes it quite clear. She was forced to run as a punishment for lying, not to burn off calories. Second, they would have known to think something is wrong because they are adults. Forcing a child to run for 3 hours is something that any reasonable person knows is dangerous.

These comparisons to riding bikes and running around when you were a kid are asinine. This wasn't a child playing tag for 3 hours. This was a child forced to run as punishment. The fact that there's even a consideration of grey area here is absolutely stunning.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by valo403

First, that's quite clearly not what happened and the reporting on the incident makes it quite clear. She was forced to run as a punishment for lying, not to burn off calories. Second, they would have known to think something is wrong because they are adults. Forcing a child to run for 3 hours is something that any reasonable person knows is dangerous.

These comparisons to riding bikes and running around when you were a kid are asinine. This wasn't a child playing tag for 3 hours. This was a child forced to run as punishment. The fact that there's even a consideration of grey area here is absolutely stunning.

If you read the initial article was very unclear what happened. As more and more facts come out it becomes more horrendus. If you look at my first post it was based only on the article provided

[T@T]

Tragic to say the least.

[18flames]

I'll be the first to say, who cares? Honestly, do I have to care if a 5 year old girl goes missing? Or care if someone I have no sort of relations to dies? I'm sick of the media pushing this stuff down our throats.

[Radio]

Wow...hopefully nothing tragic ever happens in your life...I'd hate for humanity to have to turn it's back on you out of spite.

What if you saw that 5 year old girl at the gas station with her abductor? You just going to say "meh...my battery is almost done on my phone, need to save it for something important."

[Zevo]

Originally Posted by 18flames

I'll be the first to say, who cares? Honestly, do I have to care if a 5 year old girl goes missing? Or care if someone I have no sort of relations to dies? I'm sick of the media pushing this stuff down our throats.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by 18flames

I'll be the first to say, who cares? Honestly, do I have to care if a 5 year old girl goes missing? Or care if someone I have no sort of relations to dies? I'm sick of the media pushing this stuff down our throats.

You're right, you don't have to care about anything or anyone.

[Cowperson]

Originally Posted by 18flames

I'll be the first to say, who cares? Honestly, do I have to care if a 5 year old girl goes missing? Or care if someone I have no sort of relations to dies? I'm sick of the media pushing this stuff down our throats.

It is a newsworthy event, not because a child died but because the nature of the event was unusual and out of the ordinary, thusly drawing attention to itself.

The death of a child, even brutally, is a garden variety, daily event and generally unremarkable outside of a local area.

Unusual deaths do draw interest.

We are also, as ordinary humans, just flat-out curious busybody's most of the time.

However, if you don't feel any emotional connection to it or flat out don't care, that's your perogative.

Whether you care or not really isn't the point.

Just don't say it isn't newsworthy. Running a kid to death for three hours is just damned unusual, both for cause and for result.

Cowperson

[Pizza]

Originally Posted by Keselke

If this story was about a dog, who's owner ran it till it died....there would be 10+ pages and calls for public stoning

Girl dies tragically and too soon, comedic fodder

Such is life

Well, at least I tried to balance it out

got called out by Pylon and comment was removed by a mod

[pylon]

Originally Posted by Keselke

If this story was about a dog, who's owner ran it till it died....there would be 10+ pages and calls for public stoning

Girl dies tragically and too soon, comedic fodder

Such is life

Originally Posted by Pizza

Well, at least I tried to balance it out

got called out by Pylon and comment was removed by a mod

A little different when it is one of our own members.

I tend to think of a lot of the board members here as friends. Heck, I converse with a lot of people here more, than a lot of my friends.

It is not like we are a distant observer cracking a few chuckles that will never likely be seen. You were making a joke about a guy who's dog just got ran over, in his own thread looking for advice in real time. I wouldn't go onto another forum, and heckle someone in real time like that. It lacked sensibility.

[Pizza]

Originally Posted by pylon

A little different when it is one of our own members.

I tend to think of a lot of the board members here as friends. Heck, I converse with a lot of people here more, than a lot of my friends.

It is not like we are a distant observer cracking a few chuckles that will never likely be seen. You were making a joke about a guy who's dog just got ran over, in his own thread looking for advice in real time. I wouldn't go onto another forum, and heckle someone in real time like that. It lacked sensibility.

I dont think it's any different

would we still be cracking jokes about this 9 year old girl's death if a CP member came out and said that was their cousin?

[pylon]

Originally Posted by Pizza

I dont think it's any different

would we still be cracking jokes about this 9 year old girl's death if a CP member came out and said that was their cousin?

Absolutely not. In fact the mods would nerf the thread.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Pizza

I dont think it's any different

would we still be cracking jokes about this 9 year old girl's death if a CP member came out and said that was their cousin?

**** no. You seriously think if there was death of a child that was later found out to be related to a CP member, that everyone would keep cracking jokes?! Come the F on.