Teen mother shoots man breaking in her house while on the phone with 911

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Maybe he saw her picture in the death announcement or heard a rumor and saw a vulnerable piece of a$$ and decided to have some fun with her.

Possibly, but then you would assume he would either

a) knock on the door for a few seconds and then go away.
b) knock on the door for a few seconds and then kick the door in and rape and murder her.
c) not bother knocking at all, just kick in the door and rape and murder her

Who the hell knocks on a door for 10 or 15 minutes while she moves a couch, gets a gun and then calls the cops? unless you know the person inside and are trying to persuade them to open the door for the first 10 minutes.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by valo403

I get what you're saying, but you have to remember that we're looking at this with the benefit of hindsight, and more importantly the benefit of not actually being in the situation. Hypothetically it's easy to say that you could have taken a different, less lethal, route, but in the moment that's not the case.

The only thing that really bothers me about the whole thing is the apparent ease she had with doing the whole reenactment. I'd like to think that if I just gunned someone down at point blank range, justified or not, I'd have a bit of trouble picking up a gun and pretending to do it again for the benefit of a news story. That was a little bit creepy.

I think she was calm because she was expecting this to happen again, with the two perps trying to get in her trailer again. Her recount is very reminiscient of the NY subway shooter who shot the guys who begging (or demanding) money.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by valo403

I get what you're saying, but you have to remember that we're looking at this with the benefit of hindsight, and more importantly the benefit of not actually being in the situation. Hypothetically it's easy to say that you could have taken a different, less lethal, route, but in the moment that's not the case.

The only thing that really bothers me about the whole thing is the apparent ease she had with doing the whole reenactment. I'd like to think that if I just gunned someone down at point blank range, justified or not, I'd have a bit of trouble picking up a gun and pretending to do it again for the benefit of a news story. That was a little bit creepy.

Depends on some factors though.

First, she may still be in some kind of shock, between these events and the death of her husband, combined with her young age, I wonder just how much she's been able to process the events of the last 3 weeks/6 months.

I think it also depends on how familiar you are with firearms in general.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Ducay

I've always figured that if I'm in the situation; I'd rather over-estimate (aka kill the dude) and get convicted of manslaughter and serve a couple years, than underestimate and be dead.

This is how I feel when crossing the street during the Blinking Hand.

THUNDER-CROSS-WALK! 2 MEN ENTER, 1 MAN LEAVES!

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

That is possible, but I have a lifetimes experiance working with strung out thieves and this is odd behaviour by their standards, generally if you are going to do a house you knock on the front door, no one answers and there isn't a dog you go round the back and kick in the back door, takes about 20 seconds.
Its the time involved that doesn't add up, strung out or not you dont spend 20 minutes knocking on a door.

Dont kid yourself - the attackers knew the girl, her husband and were there for a specific purpose, or everything else you said would have happened.

[Montana Moe]

Alleged accomplice in Blanchard home invasion faces murder charge

Stewart told investigators Martin was addicted to prescription medication and had plans to burglarize the residence.
Martin knew Kenneth McKinley had recently died of cancer and suspected there were narcotics in the house, Stewart said.

McKinley has stayed at her mobile home on the outskirts of Blanchard since the shooting. She said Wednesday she suspected she was being watched for weeks before the incident... McKinley said her four female German shepherds turned up dead within the last month.
She thinks they were poisoned. She keeps a male dog in the house with her.

The accomplice, Mr. Stewart is out on bail...

[CaptainCrunch]

I'm always baffled that anyone that's involved in a violent crime gets bail, I totally thing that's wrong. I also think that the law should change so that if your part of a group that plans a crime that goes wrong that you should be charged if one of the members of your gang gets hurt or killed.

I think that article lays to rest some convuluted theories, It sounds like they suspected that there were prescription drugs in the house and they took their time planning it if dogs ended up dead.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I'm always baffled that anyone that's involved in a violent crime gets bail, I totally thing that's wrong. I also think that the law should change so that if your part of a group that plans a crime that goes wrong that you should be charged if one of the members of your gang gets hurt or killed.

I think that article lays to rest some convuluted theories, It sounds like they suspected that there were prescription drugs in the house and they took their time planning it if dogs ended up dead.

The law has to apply equally to all and in the eyes of the law and in court you are innocent before being found guilty - even if caught red handed. What if, there was some strange (unbelievable as it may be) situation that caused you to be involved in a crime like this and yet there was some mitigating circumstance or possibility of your innocence? Bail and what it is set at is available if the judge makes it available and they know more about this than you and me.

Bail is often denied or set at a level that the defendant cannot possible procure anyway if they are considered an extreme danger or at risk of flight. We would need more information on the circumstances of this case to say anything on the matter.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I'm always baffled that anyone that's involved in a violent crime gets bail, I totally thing that's wrong. I also think that the law should change so that if your part of a group that plans a crime that goes wrong that you should be charged if one of the members of your gang gets hurt or killed.

I think that article lays to rest some convuluted theories, It sounds like they suspected that there were prescription drugs in the house and they took their time planning it if dogs ended up dead.

Plenty of laws allow for that to happen, no idea what the law is in this particular state.

[Hack&Lube]

The weirdest thing to me about this case aren't the circumstances of the home invasion but that her husband was 40 years older than her and died at 60. She started living with him when she was 15.

[Montana Moe]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I'm always baffled that anyone that's involved in a violent crime gets bail, I totally thing that's wrong. I also think that the law should change so that if your part of a group that plans a crime that goes wrong that you should be charged if one of the members of your gang gets hurt or killed.

I think that article lays to rest some convuluted theories, It sounds like they suspected that there were prescription drugs in the house and they took their time planning it if dogs ended up dead.

Originally Posted by valo403

Plenty of laws allow for that to happen, no idea what the law is in this particular state.

Stewart, the accomplice, is being charged with murder in this case:

Martin died still clutching a knife in his gloved left hand, the affidavit states. His alleged accomplice, Dustin Louis Stewart, 29, of Blanchard, turned himself in after hearing the gunshot that killed Martin and now faces a first-degree murder charge.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Montana Moe

Stewart, the accomplice, is being charged with murder in this case:

Sorry when I read the article it wasn't that clear to my coffee adled eyes that it was murder in this specific case.

There's no way that this kid should have gotten bail.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

The weirdest thing to me about this case aren't the circumstances of the home invasion but that her husband was 40 years older than her and died at 60. She started living with him when she was 15.

It would make sense if this guy was rich or a former porn star named hung to the knees Thompson.

But he was neither.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Sorry when I read the article it wasn't that clear to my coffee adled eyes that it was murder in this specific case.

There's no way that this kid should have gotten bail.

Prosecutor always charges the maximum they think they can convict on. The dead guy was the one who kicked in the door with the knife in his hand.

The accomplice wasn't even in the room and may not have intended to commit murder or have known the intentions of his companion. He may have thought they were just going to rob the place, etc.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

Prosecutor always charges the maximum they think they can convict on. The dead guy was the one who kicked in the door with the knife in his hand.

The accomplice wasn't even in the room and may not have intended to commit murder or have known the intentions of his companion. He may have thought they were just going to rob the place, etc.

To me it doesn't matter, he was part of the crime, he agreed to help break into the house, and didn't try to stop his body from marching to his death. He's just as responsible as the girl for his friends death.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

To me it doesn't matter, he was part of the crime, he agreed to help break into the house, and didn't try to stop his body from marching to his death. He's just as responsible as the girl for his friends death.

Fortunately you are not the judge nor the jury. The law you wanted applies exactly in this case anyway.

http://newsok.com/article/3637786?click_action=1

Oklahoma's felony murder law permits prosecutors to seek a murder conviction if an accomplice dies during the commission of another felony crime.

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

The weirdest thing to me about this case aren't the circumstances of the home invasion but that her husband was 40 years older than her and died at 60. She started living with him when she was 15.

What the ####

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube;3474571Fortunately you are not the judge nor the jury. The law you wanted applies exactly in this case anyway.

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you mispelled unfortunately

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

What the ####

Insert "giggity" or South Park "nice" for your real inner thoughts here.