Calgary Organic Food Delivery?

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by THE SCUD

Proof?! The only thing that may cause our kids to have a lower life expectancy (which has not yet been proved, only theorized) is that they are eating too fatty of foods. Not that they are dying of cancer from vegetables. It's actually that they're not eating enough of them.

and not enough exercise...

there is just as many harmful natural pesticides than there are synthetic. which is why i question his plant immune system comment...

most synthetic ones are removed before it gets to your mouth...

[troutman]

Originally Posted by moncton golden flames

our current food system is causing so much hurt, our children are beginning to have shorter expectancies than us. your quote simply is not believable, imo.

http://www.agbioworld.org/biotech-in...-billions.html

Today, most people around the world have access to a greater variety of nutritious and affordable foods than ever before, thanks mainly to developments in agricultural science and technology. The average human life span--arguably the most important indicator of quality of life--has increased steadily in the past century in almost every country. Even in many less developed countries, life spans have doubled over the past few decades. Despite massive population growth, from 3 billion to more than 6 billion people since 1950, the global malnutrition rate decreased in that period from 38 percent to 18 percent. India and China, two of the world's most populous and rapidly industrializing countries, have quadrupled their grain production.

The record of agricultural progress during the past century speaks for itself. Countries that embraced superior agricultural technologies have brought unprecedented prosperity to their people, made food vastly more affordable and abundant, helped stabilize farm yields, and reduced the destruction of wild lands. The productivity gains from G.M. crops, as well as improved use of synthetic fertilizers and pesticides, allowed the world's farmers to double global food output during the last 50 years, on roughly the same amount of land, at a time when global population rose more than 80 percent. Without these improvements in plant and animal genetics and other scientific developments, known as the Green Revolution, we would today be farming on every square inch of arable land to produce the same amount of food, destroying hundreds of millions of acres of pristine wilderness in the process.

[THE SCUD]

[THE SCUD]

[MelBridgeman]

[NuclearFart]

Originally Posted by moncton golden flames

our current food system is causing so much hurt, our children are beginning to have shorter expectancies than us. your quote simply is not believable, imo.

The only conclusion I've ever arrived at from these discussions is:

Inverse relationship between organic food consumed and logical discourse.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by moncton golden flames

i know i could probably interpret your post a few different ways, but i believe our grandparents would be rolling in their graves if they knew what we are allowing to happen to our food supply.

I think my grandfather would mostly be impressed by the vast amounts of cheap plentyfull food including all kinds of fruit and Veg all year long, unlike in his day when for more than a third of the year only potatoes and turnips were around, plus whatever apples were left in the celler, he'd also be quite suprised that no one has rickets anymore.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by moncton golden flames

we have allowed major corporations to take control of, pollute and sell our water. we have given away our right to affordable housing for the sake of profit and our food system is on the brink of collapse.

Underlined quotes are complete BS, particularly the second one which comes off as hysteria. The part I didn't underline doesn't really have any relevance to the discussion, unless you live in a house made of gingerbread.

Originally Posted by moncton golden flames

our current food system is causing so much hurt, our children are beginning to have shorter expectancies than us. your quote simply is not believable, imo.

His quote is very believable because it's true. Food is safer and held to much higher standards than it was in even our parents' day.

Yours, on the other hand....

[4X4]

Originally Posted by moncton golden flames

the four pillars of surviving as a human: water, fire, shelter and food.

we have allowed major corporations to take control of, pollute and sell our water. we have given away our right to affordable housing for the sake of profit and our food system is on the brink of collapse. but don't worry folks, there is a new episode of your favorite show on tv tonight!

Take a breath and please explain the imminent collapse of our "food system".
You sound awfully conspiracy theory-ey in this thread. You've already gone with the "major corporations", and "our children", and now with "food system".

What's the problem? That big companies are producing food instead of local farmers? If you want to see a collapse of the "food system", try feeding everyone locally.

[Northendzone]

I am all for more orgasmic food.....

[Thor]

Problem is with what the Organic food industry has become, its no longer local small farmers offering up quality stuff, its huge corporations that own Organic brand foods that basically sell crap for a significantly higher cost with just slapping a pretty picture of a farm and calling it Organic.

This is like the no fat Fad that food manufacturers went through the last 10 years, now its 'Organic' and its a way for them to make tons of money while making people think they are better off buying this stuff.

I'm off to work but I'll find some good documentaries you guys can check out, covers all this very well.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Thor

Problem is with what the Organic food industry has become, its no longer local small farmers offering up quality stuff, its huge corporations that own Organic brand foods that basically sell crap for a significantly higher cost with just slapping a pretty picture of a farm and calling it Organic.

This is like the no fat Fad that food manufacturers went through the last 10 years, now its 'Organic' and its a way for them to make tons of money while making people think they are better off buying this stuff.

I'm off to work but I'll find some good documentaries you guys can check out, covers all this very well.

you are being nice

organic = SCAM

lets call a spade a spade

SCAM

[YYC in LAX]

Originally Posted by moncton golden flames

the four pillars of surviving as a human: water, fire, shelter and food.

we have allowed major corporations to take control of, pollute and sell our water. we have given away our right to affordable housing for the sake of profit and our food system is on the brink of collapse. but don't worry folks, there is a new episode of your favorite show on tv tonight!

Are you the spokesperson for Occupy Calgary?

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

you are being nice

organic = SCAM

lets call a spade a spade

SCAM

Instead of just typing "scam" in large letters, why don't you actually provide an argument supporting your claim? Then we can either agree or refute.

[Ducay]

Who let Mikey register another account as Moncton Golden?

Organic everything is a pretty expensive way to show the world you buy into hype and don't care to understand the food industry. Hormone free beef, sure, I get that; but buying "organic" bananas just means you're bananas

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Hormone free beef, sure, I get that...

I don't - the level of hormones remaining in the tissues hasn't shown to have any demonstrable effect or quantifiable link to health risks for humans. There just isn't enough in there to affect human beings.

Not to mention that we overlook the fact that we probably wouldn't be able to be able to produce enough meat and fruit/veg. without the advanced farming and agriculture techniques that we use today, one of the many reasons I'm so perplexed by those who claim to want an end to world hunger in one breath and shout down genetically modified crops in the next.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by moncton golden flames

absolutely not.

we are what we eat. plants have their own immune system to fight off pests, fungi, bacteria, pathogens and all sorts of mean stuff. when we eat the plants that produce their own resistance to these pests, we receive the benefit of all their hard work and have a stronger immune system because of it.

on the flip side, when plants are sprayed with herbicides, pesticides and all sorts of nasty stuff, they begin to shut down their natural defenses, as the chemicals are now doing that job and the plants are much less nutritious and healthy because of it. when we eat these plants, we receive much less benefit than their organic counterparts.

from my experience, 'science' is a term that has a much different meaning in food circles than it does in the laboratory.

You do understand that organic does not mean no pesticides/herbicides etc., right?

[moncton golden flames]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

huh?

written in 'in defense of food: an eater's manifesto' author michael pollan suggests that "while it is true that our life expectancy has improved dramatically since 1900 (rising from 49 yrs to 77 yrs in the u.s.), most of that gain is attributed to the fact that more of us are surviving infancy and childhood; life expectancy of a 65 yr old in 1900 was only about 6 yrs less than that of a 65 yr old living today.* when you adjust for age, rates of chronic diseases like cancer and type 2 diabetes are considerably higher than they were in 1900. that is, the chances that a 60 or 70 yr old suffers from cancer or type 2 diabetes are far great today than they were a century ago."

*it may be that the explosion of chronic diseases during the 20th century is now taking a toll on american life expectancy. in 2007, the cia world factbook ranked the u.s. 45th for life expectancy at birth, below countries like israel, jordan, bosnia and bermuda. future gains in life expectancy depend largely on how much we can extend life among the elderly...exceedingly difficult, when you consider that the incidence of diabetes in people over 75 is projected to increase 336% during the first half of this century.

now, i am a big fan of michael pollan and i trust his research and logic. if we aren't seeing a decrease right now, i think he suggests that a decrease could be in our near future. unless our food consumption habits change dramatically, i'm not sure we will get thru these diet related hurdles like cancer and type 2 diabetes.

[Hanni]

Screw hormones, I want a steak that was grown in a lab.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by moncton golden flames

written in 'in defense of food: an eater's manifesto' author michael pollan suggests that "while it is true that our life expectancy has improved dramatically since 1900 (rising from 49 yrs to 77 yrs in the u.s.), most of that gain is attributed to the fact that more of us are surviving infancy and childhood; life expectancy of a 65 yr old in 1900 was only about 6 yrs less than that of a 65 yr old living today.* when you adjust for age, rates of chronic diseases like cancer and type 2 diabetes are considerably higher than they were in 1900. that is, the chances that a 60 or 70 yr old suffers from cancer or type 2 diabetes are far great today than they were a century ago."

*it may be that the explosion of chronic diseases during the 20th century is now taking a toll on american life expectancy. in 2007, the cia world factbook ranked the u.s. 45th for life expectancy at birth, below countries like israel, jordan, bosnia and bermuda. future gains in life expectancy depend largely on how much we can extend life among the elderly...exceedingly difficult, when you consider that the incidence of diabetes in people over 75 is projected to increase 336% during the first half of this century.

now, i am a big fan of michael pollan and i trust his research and logic. if we aren't seeing a decrease right now, i think he suggests that a decrease could be in our near future. unless our food consumption habits change dramatically, i'm not sure we will get thru these diet related hurdles like cancer and type 2 diabetes.

Even if we just assume all of that to be true, where's the causation link? You've basically said that x is happening and the cause is y without demonstrating even the slightest tie between the two.