Calgary Organic Food Delivery?

[moncton golden flames]

Originally Posted by troutman

Have not though about this issue much before. Just sharing my research with you.

Why would you want my comments, when we can hear from experts?

well, everybody has a different view on food and i find it interesting to hear what other people have to say about it. i think we take food for granted, and that scares me.

i appreciate you sharing the research you've done and shared, but i can't help but feel misled when i read opinions that make the industrial food system seem just fine compared to organics.

[jtfrogger]

Originally Posted by moncton golden flames

i appreciate you sharing the research you've done and shared, but i can't help but feel misled when i read opinions that make the industrial food system seem just fine compared to organics.

But you don't feel misled when you hear the opposite without any scientific backing?

[THE SCUD]

Originally Posted by YYC in LAX

You're way too corporate to be eating organic food. Leave that for the self-righteous hipsters.

I am more of the "I am a corporate slave and have money, so if organics won't hurt, might as well feed the thing them... Until I get pissed off at it for not painting the fence at 2 years old, then BAM, back to Lucerne milk, kiddo!"


But seriously troutman, I'd like to know if you came across anything about organics being badin your research? If they aren't proven to be better and have downfalls, then maybe I skip the idea.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by THE SCUD

I am more of the "I am a corporate slave and have money, so if organics won't hurt, might as well feed the thing them... Until I get pissed off at it for not painting the fence at 2 years old, then BAM, back to Lucerne milk, kiddo!"


But seriously troutman, I'd like to know if you came across anything about organics being badin your research? If they aren't proven to be better and have downfalls, then maybe I skip the idea.

From my last quote:

Despite the fact that organic farming has been around for over 50 years, there is a surprisingly small amount of quality research available . . . this is one area where I think it is reasonable to conclude more research is genuinely needed.

[Table 5]

Obviously the more research the merrier, but is it not reasonable to assume that when you put a substance that is specifically formulated to anihilate a living thing (be it an insect or weed) onto a food item, that substance probably has some sort of affect on a human being too?

Pretty awesome though that not wanting to ingest poison is now considered a hipster or hippie thing to do. Tell that to your great-grandparents.

[troutman]

http://www.skepdic.com/organic.html

"People got in their head, well, if it's man-made somehow it's potentially dangerous, but if it's natural, it isn't. That doesn't really fit with anything we know about toxicology. When we understand how animals are resistant to chemicals, the mechanisms are all independent of whether it's natural or synthetic. And in fact, when you look at natural chemicals, half of those tested came out positive [for toxicity in humans]." --Bruce Ames


The residues from pesticides on food, natural or synthetic, are not likely to cause harm to consumers because they occur in minute quantities.* (This fact does not make either kind of pesticide safe for those who work with them and are exposed to large quantities on a regular basis. I refer to residues on foods you and I are likely to find on fruits and vegetable we buy at the store or market.) Using natural biological controls rather than synthetic pesticides is more dangerous to the environment (Morris and Bate 1999). The amounts of pesticide residue produced by plants themselves or introduced by organic farmers are significantly greater than the amounts of synthetic pesticide residues. Almost all of the pesticides we ingest in food are naturally produced by plants to defend themselves against insects, fungi, and animal predators (Ames and Gold 1997). The bottom line is that fresh fruits and vegetables are good for you and it doesn't matter whether they're organic.

[THE SCUD]

Originally Posted by troutman

From my last quote:

Despite the fact that organic farming has been around for over 50 years, there is a surprisingly small amount of quality research available . . . this is one area where I think it is reasonable to conclude more research is genuinely needed.

That's the lawyreism I'm looking for - strip out the BS and find the quote that supports the client's needs!

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Table 5

Pretty awesome though that not wanting to ingest poison is now considered a hipster or hippie thing to do. Tell that to your great-grandparents.

Your great-grandparents, and most of your ancestors, owe their success to improvements mankind has made to agriculture. "Poison" is a relative term. Any substance is toxic in sufficient doses.

[Kybosh]

As a chemist, the debate over organic and non-organic always cracks me up because as far as I'm concerned, it's all organic from a chemistry definition.

As a food eater, I've found that organic fruits and veggies cost more and taste the same yet organic beef is freaking amazing.

[moncton golden flames]

Originally Posted by jtfrogger

But you don't feel misled when you hear the opposite without any scientific backing?

absolutely not.

we are what we eat. plants have their own immune system to fight off pests, fungi, bacteria, pathogens and all sorts of mean stuff. when we eat the plants that produce their own resistance to these pests, we receive the benefit of all their hard work and have a stronger immune system because of it.

on the flip side, when plants are sprayed with herbicides, pesticides and all sorts of nasty stuff, they begin to shut down their natural defenses, as the chemicals are now doing that job and the plants are much less nutritious and healthy because of it. when we eat these plants, we receive much less benefit than their organic counterparts.

from my experience, 'science' is a term that has a much different meaning in food circles than it does in the laboratory.

[Kybosh]

Originally Posted by moncton golden flames

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from my experience, 'science' is a term that has a much different meaning in food circles than it does in the laboratory.

This is actually quite true. In pharmaceuticals and medicine, we try to learn as much as possible about all points of interaction. My experience with food providers however, is that they are sometimes willfully ignorant on a greater understanding because of the potential that a particular food item would no longer be allowed. One of the labs I worked in was approached by a food provider to analyze one of their products, when we got the results they decided that they no longer wanted to know what compounds were present.

[moncton golden flames]

Originally Posted by troutman

Your great-grandparents, and most of your ancestors, owe their success to improvements mankind has made to agriculture. "Poison" is a relative term. Any substance is toxic in sufficient doses.

i know i could probably interpret your post a few different ways, but i believe our grandparents would be rolling in their graves if they knew what we are allowing to happen to our food supply.

[moncton golden flames]

Originally Posted by Kybosh

This is actually quite true. In pharmaceuticals and medicine, we try to learn as much as possible about all points of interaction. My experience with food providers however, is that they are sometimes willfully ignorant on a greater understanding because of the potential that a particular food item would no longer be allowed. One of the labs I worked in was approached by a food provider to analyze one of their products, when we got the results they decided that they no longer wanted to know what compounds were present.

industrial system at it's finest!

have you ever tested an organic vegetable vs industrial vegetable for discrepancies?

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Table 5

formulated to anihilate a living thing (be it an insect or weed) onto a food item, that substance probably has some sort of affect on a human being too?

Human big, insect small

don't understimate the power of the human body to rid itself of tiny doses of toxins.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by moncton golden flames

absolutely not.

we are what we eat. plants have their own immune system to fight off pests, fungi, bacteria, pathogens and all sorts of mean stuff. when we eat the plants that produce their own resistance to these pests, we receive the benefit of all their hard work and have a stronger immune system because of it.

on the flip side, when plants are sprayed with herbicides, pesticides and all sorts of nasty stuff, they begin to shut down their natural defenses, as the chemicals are now doing that job and the plants are much less nutritious and healthy because of it. when we eat these plants, we receive much less benefit than their organic counterparts.

from my experience, 'science' is a term that has a much different meaning in food circles than it does in the laboratory.

Do you have anything to back that up?..it's either amazing or bonky...my logic alarm is ringing a little here.

[moncton golden flames]

the four pillars of surviving as a human: water, fire, shelter and food.

we have allowed major corporations to take control of, pollute and sell our water. we have given away our right to affordable housing for the sake of profit and our food system is on the brink of collapse. but don't worry folks, there is a new episode of your favorite show on tv tonight!

[troutman]

Originally Posted by moncton golden flames

i know i could probably interpret your post a few different ways, but i believe our grandparents would be rolling in their graves if they knew what we are allowing to happen to our food supply.

We enjoy a longer life expectancy (in part) because of what we do to our food supply, vs. what our grandparents were doing.

[moncton golden flames]

Originally Posted by troutman

We enjoy a longer life expectancy because of what we do to our food supply, vs. what our grandparents were doing.

our current food system is causing so much hurt, our children are beginning to have shorter expectancies than us. your quote simply is not believable, imo.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by moncton golden flames

our current food system is causing so much hurt, our children are beginning to have shorter expectancies than us. your quote simply is not believable, imo.

huh?

[THE SCUD]

Originally Posted by moncton golden flames

our current food system is causing so much hurt, our children are beginning to have shorter expectancies than us. your quote simply is not believable, imo.

Proof?! The only thing that may cause our kids to have a lower life expectancy (which has not yet been proved, only theorized) is that they are eating too fatty of foods. Not that they are dying of cancer from vegetables. It's actually that they're not eating enough of them.