UBC study finds believers distrust atheists as much as rapists

[Flashpoint]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

he was far from tolerant of sin/false religions.

LOL

Like there's any other kind.

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by Cowperson

How convenient ..... not to mention defying common sense.

That's faith for you!!!

Cowperson

I'm pretty sure defying common sense is one of the supreme tenets of science, as well.

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by HOZ

I think the atheists have had their feelings hurt....

The ole..."What we're not as awesome as we think we are? WTF?!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Atheists greatest accomplishments? Communism and Nazism. Keep being awesome!

You are so ridiculously lacking in knowledge in just about everything you post that I really don't know what to say any longer. You've become a caricature.

[Savvy27]

Originally Posted by AR_Six

It has always seemed to me that anyone who accepts that any moral proposition is correct, i.e. torturing this innocent baby is wrong, must also accept that there is some underlying objective standard out there by which that assessment can be made.*

It does suggest that an underlying objective standard exists, but we haven't eliminated the possibility that the person who accepts the moral proposition is simply wrong. Perhaps they have determined that torturing babies is wrong and everybody or most of the people they know agree with them, they may just be mistaking inter-subjective agreement for objective truth (which is easy to do since moral truths don't seem to have any recognizable properties).

Once we have that, it should follow that a universal standard exists. Whether we know what the standard is or not or how it applies to a particular scenario which may be more shades of gray than torturing an innocent baby, it must at the very least be taken to exist. In other words, there is always an objective right or wrong, whether or not we know what it is. That may not be useful because it cannot direct action, but it does strike me as inevitable.

But what if a person does not believe that there is an objective moral standard? If we replace your person with another person who says, "I can't state that torturing babies is wrong because I don't think that anything can be objectively right or wrong." Now he or she may find the torturing of babies to be distasteful and not want anybody to do it, but it doesn't follow from that perspective that an objective moral standard inevitably exists.

It certainly seems as though there are some actions (such as torturing babies) that are condemned with near unanimity, that imply objective moral values, but the fact that these values are neither innate (granted, that might be argued) nor directing human behavior is problematic for me.

*Relativism fudges this question but I would say that relativist moral standards equivocate the meaning of "right" and "wrong". And there are enough nails in the coffin of ethical relativism that it's hardly worth hashing them out.

Agreed.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

My God is the Christian God.

No, I don't believe that God creates events or disasters. Miracles? Yes.

For some reason since I was about 8 years old this word "miracle" has always bugged me.

Dictionary says:

mir·a·cle

1-an effect or extraordinary event in the physical world that surpasses all known human or natural powers and is ascribed to a supernatural cause.

2-such an effect or event manifesting or considered as a work of God.

3-a wonder; marvel.

Since you believe in them, Can you please show an example of a miracle. one that can't be explained and not a fairytale, and not stuff like Jesus walking on water,Chris "mindfreak" Angel can do that!

[Thor]

Its funny how Miracles seem to have dissappeared in the modern age when we can confirm or deny claims.

Also interesting how miracles are always something that could have happened anyways without divine intervention.

No one miraculously grows their limb back, now that would be proof of a divine force.

[T@T]

Yipe, Miracles were the work of con-artists...like Jesus.

[Sliver]

I honestly had no idea modern-day religious people actually believed in miracles. That's so weird...like believing in angels, or Santa or something. I thought "miracle" was more a figure of speech than an actual tangible thing people believe happens in the real world. I too am curious for MoneyGuy to provide an example. And at what frequency do miracles happen? Once a year on earth? Millions of times per day? You'd think the evidence would be abundant.

[SeeBass]

[photon]

Originally Posted by SeeBass

I thought Christian might be the same, a little more benign though



And my first random try

[Yasa]

Well...they shouldn't.

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

You are so ridiculously lacking in knowledge in just about everything you post that I really don't know what to say any longer. You've become a caricature.

Touched a nerve did I?

Communism and Nazism...still #1 on Atheists accomplishments! Awesomeness.

[Magnum PEI]

Originally Posted by HOZ

Touched a nerve did I?

Communism and Nazism...still #1 on Atheists accomplishments! Awesomeness.

9/11, The Spanish Inquisition, The Reformation, The Crusades. Awesomeness.

I don't think you can blame Nazism and Communism on atheists, these were movements that had little to do with religion or lack of religion.

[SeeBass]

Originally Posted by HOZ

Touched a nerve did I?

Communism and Nazism...still #1 on Atheists accomplishments! Awesomeness.

nm

there really is no point

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Scotian Lotion

Of course it has me worked up. I live in the Islamized Greater Toronto Area. There is nothing Canadian about this part of the country with the exception of it's geographic location.

I could care less if a Christian organization built it's own community. It would annoy me slightly, as I think such things are a step back in time, but Christianity is zero threat to Canadian culture. Unfortunately, that same culture is so accepting, that it is slowly handing over our beautiful country to a bunch of totalitarian, costumed pieces of stone age s***.
It may not seem that serious in Alberta (despite having a Muslim mayor in Calgary, though I know nothing about him and I assume he calls himself 'Muslim' just to make his parents happy), but Ontario is as ruined as Europe, which has an infestation problem.
Toronto has a school where they kick all non-Muslims out of the cafeteria during a portion of the lunch hour, they bring in some terrorist looking Imam, and they do their stone age s*** on the floor.
Of course no one does anything. There should be a riot over this. We're a bunch of pussies.

I have no problem with individual people, so you'll never hear me call out a person and accuse them of having an agenda, based on their religion.

Much like a benign tumor is generally harmless on it's own (like a Muslim) it's the onslaught of Cancer (Islam) that will spread and ruin what our grandfathers and great grandfathers fought for. This country.

I wasn't always like this, but buying groceries, surrounded by Osama lookalikes and half the women wearing niqabs and looking like they stepped out a 1000 B.C. time machine... it pisses me off.
Get the f*** with the times and integrate into the country you decided to move to.

I'm a bit late to the party.

I just wanted to say thanks (for the laughs, the shock, the hilarity, the irony). And WOW. The bold parts especially.

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by HOZ

Touched a nerve did I?

Communism and Nazism...still #1 on Atheists accomplishments! Awesomeness.

Nothing you specifically say touches a nerve because the contents of your posts are always so utterly outlandish and full of fabrications to such an extent that they can't ever be taken seriously (though while I am sure you are convinced some do, in fact, take them seriously, they don't -- trust me).

What I do find annoying, however, is when mental invalids won't shut-up when the adults are talking, and feel the need to constantly spout the nonsense they read on the latest GeoCities conspiracy website they discovered during a Google search for new Obama-as-a-Nazi photographs. You drag the entire quality of this board down with your bigoted, slow-minded posts. Reading them is akin to reading the YouTube comments section. Just full of a lot of stupid.

[SeeBass]

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by SeeBass

Haha, awesome. Seriously, this made my day.

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

Nothing you specifically say touches a nerve .

Sure....Hence you replied in such a way I could imagine you frothing at the mouth as you typed furious insults at me. Typing "Communism and Nazism are still #1 in Atheists' greatest accomplishments" really sticks in your craw. I am also sure having pretty much everyone who is not an Atheist, think atheists are as trustworthy as rapists had to sting too.

[mikey_the_redneck]

I always thought Hitlers alignment with the Catholic church was obvious.