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[Flabbibulin]

Maybe im missing something, but is the OP an American? I realize he is at liberty to take interest in the politics of any given nation, but his complete disdain for this bill is a little peculiar if he is a Canadian living in Canada...

Also, I would think the only Americans with serious concerns over this bill are those that generally live an unlawful lifestyle, with regular interactions with the police. I can't be absolutely certain, but I am fairly sure that I will never have any serious run ins with the law, and wouldnt be concerned with this bill even if I was American.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Cole436

The veto does. not. matter.
If 2/3 of congress approve the bill, the Presidential veto is nullified.
2/3=66.6%
93/100= 93%

There are 535 members of Congress, not 100.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Paul Craig Roberts isn't in politics anymore. He's retired, and doesn't have a horse in the race you know...he just writes now.

I guess you have to read and decide for yourself. Obama is not some guardian of the constitution.....he signed the Patriot Act into law at the drop of a hat.

Fair enough. I'm not a fan of the Patriot Act either. I would just say that just because Obama signed the Patriot Act into law doesn't mean that he necessarily supported it. There's a lot more to politics than personal beliefs. In any event, the question of constitutionality is really one for the courts at the end of the day.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Oh yes.....

Eventually he was heckled off the board for his views.

I'm not a hater though, it's just unrealistic to be a "free-man" these days.

Well, to put it more correctly, its just been unrealistic to be a "free-man" for at least 5,000 years, and probably much longer. I don't imagine that the "you're not the boss of me" argument was any more effective against the spears of hunter-gatherer societies than it is against the pepper spray and police batons of the modern Canadian state.

[SoCalFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

There are 535 members of Congress, not 100.

There are 535 members of the House and 100 members in the Senate, which combined make up the entire Congress. Although it is true that the House is called the "congress" it is in fact a bit of a misnomer.

[SoCalFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Cole436

And if 93% wanted it past, do you not think that there's a good chance they'll shoot down the veto as well?

You're not giving anon the respect they deserve in these matters.

I'm not some child, I am a very, very well educated adult who does not need to be treated with this sort of demeaning tone.

Perhaps you should use your education to learn the difference between "past" and "passed".

[Cole436]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

new signature?

Whatever man, I'm doing a masters in this very subject. If people want to insult me for rushing through sentences, or critiquing my grammar at 2am during the final week of semester, go right ahead.

My points stand, they are valid and this is not some conspiracy theory.

[kirant]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

There are 535 members of Congress, not 100.

I assume he meant Senate...

I can't see much reason why both sides of Congress would vote in an overwhelming majority against Obama on the issue if he feels so strongly that he needs to veto the bill. I haven't done much digging into the issue, but I assume most overtuning of vetos have occured when the President was out to lunch on the topic and it was plainly obvious that Congress was right.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Cole436

Whatever man, I'm doing a masters in this very subject. If people want to insult me for rushing through sentences, or critiquing my grammar at 2am during the final week of semester, go right ahead.

My points stand, they are valid and this is not some conspiracy theory.

You're doing a masters in this subject and yet have an elementary school level of comprehension as to how a bill is passed and no idea as to the number of members of the house? Where are you doing your masters? The Derek Zoolander School For Kids Who Can't Read so Good?

[Boblobla]

Originally Posted by Cole436

Whatever man, I'm doing a masters in this very subject. If people want to insult me for rushing through sentences, or critiquing my grammar at 2am during the final week of semester, go right ahead.

My points stand, they are valid and this is not some conspiracy theory.

What exactly are your points? Other than:

Originally Posted by Cole436

American citizens in the United States could be detained indefinitely without trial.
American citizens in the United States could be detained indefinitely without trial.
American citizens in the United States could be detained indefinitely without trial.
American citizens in the United States could be detained indefinitely without trial.
American citizens in the United States could be detained indefinitely without trial.
American citizens in the United States could be detained indefinitely without trial.
American citizens in the United States could be detained indefinitely without trial.

Written RIGHT INTO IT

[Cole436]

Originally Posted by valo403

You're doing a masters in this subject and yet have an elementary school level of comprehension as to how a bill is passed and no idea as to the number of members of the house? Where are you doing your masters? The Derek Zoolander School For Kids Who Can't Read so Good?

I have an elementary school comprehension of it?
Because I rushed through the finer details?
Come on man, at least try to veil your insults as something that is not personal.

Anyways, I brought this up to have a discussion about something that is potentially very serious. But I see that this is all I can expect to recieve in reply.

[Cole436]

Originally Posted by Boblobla

What exactly are your points? Other than:

Does there have to be another point? Isn't that kind of a big deal to you?

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Cole436

Does there have to be another point? Isn't that kind of a big deal to you?

Make a point and argue it. Posting a video from anonymous over articles from credible sources is ridiculous to begin with, then to add to it the supposed masters student makes his point by repeating something for 7 lines. You seriously expect us to take you seriously when you do that?

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Cole436

I have an elementary school comprehension of it?
Because I rushed through the finer details?
Come on man, at least try to veil your insults as something that is not personal.

Anyways, I brought this up to have a discussion about something that is potentially very serious. But I see that this is all I can expect to recieve in reply.

Yes, you clearly do. You didn't miss finer details, you missed basic structures.

[Cole436]

Originally Posted by valo403

Yes, you clearly do. You didn't miss finer details, you missed basic structures.

How at all did I miss any of the basic structure? Because I didn't mention the vote on the veto? Did I not say that if there's 93% support that I'm very worried about Obama's power in all this.

This has devolved into nothing but a petty personal attack.

[burn_this_city]

I'm having a hard time buying that you're writing anything on this subject. No offense but your approach seems high schoolish.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Makarov

Well, to put it more correctly, its just been unrealistic to be a "free-man" for at least 5,000 years, and probably much longer. I don't imagine that the "you're not the boss of me" argument was any more effective against the spears of hunter-gatherer societies than it is against the pepper spray and police batons of the modern Canadian state.

The only reason the Obama administration would veto this current bill is because they don't want to micromanage the war on terror. Not because they disagree with it.

Anyone who doesn't believe that Obama is as big government as they come is pretty naive. Thankfully he has a brain when it comes to the military and the war on terror.

[Cole436]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

I'm having a hard time buying that you're writing anything on this subject. No offense but your approach seems high schoolish.

I don't care. The entire point of this thread was to discuss an actual, serious matter in this world. If mocking someone, because you disagree with the approach, is how you want to deal with it, go right ahead. I won't entertain it or have my integrity questioned any longer.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by Cole436

How at all did I miss any of the basic structure? Because I didn't mention the vote on the veto? Did I not say that if there's 93% support that I'm very worried about Obama's power in all this.

This has devolved into nothing but a petty personal attack.

Just for kicks I looked up what the voting record was for this bill in the House of representatives:
322 Yes
96 No
13 Abstain

I'm not graduate student, so I'm not sure if my math is correct, but that's 93% support right?

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Cole436

I don't care. The entire point of this thread was to discuss an actual, serious matter in this world. If mocking someone, because you disagree with the approach, is how you want to deal with it, go right ahead. I won't entertain it or have my integrity questioned any longer.

Well then attempt to discuss it in an actual serious manner. Or maybe go with the repeat a sentence 7 times approach. Your call.