Idnami, I'd like to read your response to this post, specifically the suggestion to 'act' rather than talk.
Well if it helps I may be volunteering my assistance in a local political campaign coming up. We'll see where that goes I guess.
There is also a facebook group called Common Ground which is made up of people from Occupy and anti occupy for community service, charity work, etc. It's a start.
And that is what I would like to stress about Occupy in general, its only just starting. Just learning. In 6 weeks I have learned so much my head feels 10 pounds heavier. And of course we are going to screw things up. It isn't necessary to be a perfect human being to be sincere.
Some of us may be stupid, but we are sincere.
Anyway, most people within the movement agree we need to think bigger. I've heard suggestions that we learn to be government and corporate watchdogs or that we need to simply begin establishing more sustainability in our communities. Things like that are my vision for this thing but it's pretty tough to do it with everyone hollering about tents all the time.
Some of my plans which I am hoping to get people on board with are things like a community garden and winter greenhouse. I realize that may sound kind of puny but a major focus of mine is food sustainability. I'd like to see Canadians taking a better interest in what they eat. Between the oil-dependent supply system and the reduced regulations on pesticide residue there is a lot of unnecessary waste and risk in the food industry. One simple solution is to grow more of it in our own communities.
I tend to hibernate in winter so my focus right now is reading as much as I can and writing. It's a full time job and I already have a full time job.
You poor thing. And did absolutely no one attempt to welcome you and engage you in discussion?
Yes, some did. More were happy to call me B* and C* words.
My point was the hypocrisy of your groups "consensus" decision making process, yet you let ONE person make the decision on who should and shouldn't be part of the group. Sort of a 1% 'er thing.
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This thread here existed already. No one needed your husband as an excuse not to trust you. At least a few people treated you as a human being even in full knowledge of the kind of thing you have to say about us.
"Kind of thing" I say about you? Care to show me some examples of this?
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I refer to the blog, which I administrate, which is not private nor closed. The one you keep posting links to.
Honestly, if that's the way you're going to engage here then we can do without you.
As for the kinds of things she had to say, they're supported by a pretty damn large portion of people from what I can tell. The fact they pulled the 'open dialogue unless we don't like the dialogue' move speaks volumes.
Says as I say not as I do right? Nice mantra.
If you take a look at the blog you will note that there is plenty of dissenting opinion. And I'm not always terribly sweet in my replies.
I didn't have anything to do with kicking her off the FB page and I DID try to be nice to her and get everyone to do the same. If she wants to come debate points on the blog, she's welcome, even now. I just find the poor me attitude a little hard to take considering. Isn't that one of the things everyone complains about us for?
There is a difference between believing in free speech and forcing oneself to listen to hatefulness, which is why the FB is private. There is an Occupy community page as well which is open to everyone. And then there is a closed group so that people of like mind can have a conversation.
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So this whole "occupy"movement is about improving working conditions overseas?
I think most occupiers are just confused and its unguided frustration in all of it now. The original OWS was poignant, had meaning, and was something that affected those people in somewhat of a direct manner. Canadian occupiers and the others seem to just try to jumble it into world peace and hide behind this veil of the 99% bull####. Until an occupier can lay out a concise and clear view of what they're so angry about, they don't deserve this attention.
There are millions of charities that benefit the poor and "watchdogs" that watch work conditions overseas....just seems so...redundant if that's the true message.
As I mentioned previously it is about equality of human rights. Work conditions whether overseas or at home are one aspect. The rise of tracheal cancer in first nations communities due to polluted water is another.
Those millions of charities are not as effective as they need to be. So now we have a worldwide movement of people who are beginning to take responsibility for the part they are playing in a culture that makes such things necessary. It's a good thing and there is no reason why it shouldn't continue. So it is!
idnami I am curious, can you tell me what level of eductation you have?
Not looking for conflict, or making fun of you...I am just wondering as most of the people they seem to interview seem to be playing without a full deck, if you know what I mean.
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Looks like you'll need one long before I will. May I suggest deflection king?
Anyway, most people within the movement agree we need to think bigger. I've heard suggestions that we learn to be government and corporate watchdogs or that we need to simply begin establishing more sustainability in our communities. Things like that are my vision for this thing but it's pretty tough to do it with everyone hollering about tents all the time.
These watchdogs and what not are already in place. Get involved. Want to be a corporate accounting watchdog? Get an accounting degree, work in public accounting, get your CA/CMA designation and go from there. Learn the system first, then expand as your expertise does. What good would a watchdog be if they aren't already an expert in the subject they're supposed to protect?
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Some of my plans which I am hoping to get people on board with are things like a community garden and winter greenhouse. I realize that may sound kind of puny but a major focus of mine is food sustainability. I'd like to see Canadians taking a better interest in what they eat. Between the oil-dependent supply system and the reduced regulations on pesticide residue there is a lot of unnecessary waste and risk in the food industry. One simple solution is to grow more of it in our own communities.
I tend to hibernate in winter so my focus right now is reading as much as I can and writing. It's a full time job and I already have a full time job.
I applaud your goal of community sustainability, but why would you want to be associated with those occupy bozos? As you said, everyone just thinks of the tents and a bunch of idiot hippies. Pick your battle and focus on that. Put together "Sustainable Calgary" or something (patent pending) and then start with your initially small projects.
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Ummm, Slava? It shows that ONLY 1% failed despite up to 41% having high risk violations. So in other words, yeah they are violating worker rights but whatevs, we're buying.
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If you take a look at the blog you will note that there is plenty of dissenting opinion. And I'm not always terribly sweet in my replies.
I didn't have anything to do with kicking her off the FB page and I DID try to be nice to her and get everyone to do the same. If she wants to come debate points on the blog, she's welcome, even now. I just find the poor me attitude a little hard to take considering. Isn't that one of the things everyone complains about us for?
There is a difference between believing in free speech and forcing oneself to listen to hatefulness, which is why the FB is private. There is an Occupy community page as well which is open to everyone. And then there is a closed group so that people of like mind can have a conversation.
I don't agree with FL on a number of things, but describing her as having a poor me attitude is laughable. What's she done is point out the massive hypocrisy that exists among these people. Listen to what we have to say, don't judge us, have an open dialogue, unless of course that dialogue calls us out on the blatant hole sin our arguments. In which case we'll censor you.
You seem like a smart guy, although I think your focus on macro concepts without really considering any of the myriad of underlying issues is a major problem, so I really don't understand why you'd align yourself with this group of twits. I mean these are people who were flummoxed by the concept of the legal bar. There are intelligent people in the occupy movement with good ideas, some who even have action plans, but none of them were camped out at olympic plaza.
I don't agree with FL on a number of things, but describing her as having a poor me attitude is laughable. What's she done is point out the massive hypocrisy that exists among these people. Listen to what we have to say, don't judge us, have an open dialogue, unless of course that dialogue calls us out on the blatant hole sin our arguments. In which case we'll censor you.
You seem like a smart guy, although I think your focus on macro concepts without really considering any of the myriad of underlying issues is a major problem, so I really don't understand why you'd align yourself with this group of twits. I mean these are people who were flummoxed by the concept of the legal bar. There are intelligent people in the occupy movement with good ideas, some who even have action plans, but none of them were camped out at olympic plaza.
That's what I'm wondering as well. The initial "all inclusive, leaderless" idea has really created a space where the loudest & most visible voices become the de facto spokespersons & leaders for the group.
Like it or not the fringe element & campers have become the message here in Calgary. You're only doing a diservice to yourself & your convictions by brushing it aside as "I don't agree with the actions, but I support the group", but doing this you're allowing the campers to speak for you.
Yes you write on the blog, but it's not the blog that's getting the attention. It's the video of Sarah being arrested, or the screenshots of facebook with people accusing Jane & Cory of fabricating a judges decision.
There is a difference between making noise and being heard.
As I mentioned previously it is about equality of human rights. Work conditions whether overseas or at home are one aspect. The rise of tracheal cancer in first nations communities due to polluted water is another.
Those millions of charities are not as effective as they need to be. So now we have a worldwide movement of people who are beginning to take responsibility for the part they are playing in a culture that makes such things necessary. It's a good thing and there is no reason why it shouldn't continue. So it is!
So the one thing you think Occupy should focus on is:
1. Human rights
2. Corporate watchdogs
3. Food sustainability
I don't agree with FL on a number of things, but describing her as having a poor me attitude is laughable. What's she done is point out the massive hypocrisy that exists among these people. Listen to what we have to say, don't judge us, have an open dialogue, unless of course that dialogue calls us out on the blatant hole sin our arguments. In which case we'll censor you.
You seem like a smart guy, although I think your focus on macro concepts without really considering any of the myriad of underlying issues is a major problem, so I really don't understand why you'd align yourself with this group of twits. I mean these are people who were flummoxed by the concept of the legal bar. There are intelligent people in the occupy movement with good ideas, some who even have action plans, but none of them were camped out at olympic plaza.
