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metallicat · 11-16-2011, 08:54 PM

I haven't followed this too closely, but have their been people who were instrumental in getting this up and running (both in Canada and NYC or wherever) that have now come out against what some of these idiots are doing? As in, have some of the true people behind this asked for some of the BS to stop because it's hurting their message?

PsnaP · 11-16-2011, 08:59 PM

Not sure if this has been posted or not..

http://www.youtube.com/embed/OAOrT0O...de=transparent

Hatter · 11-16-2011, 09:57 PM

I don't care if Cory Morgan has any political ambition or not, as these videos of the "protesters" ruining their own movement are priceless. I particularly liked the protester waving his charter of rights and freedoms around at the very patient lady giving her condolences for the fire. His creative imagining of how section 7 should be applied to their cause made me laugh out loud.

c.t.ner · 11-16-2011, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by PsnaP

Not sure if this has been posted or not..

http://www.youtube.com/embed/OAOrT0O...de=transparent

That was posted in the other Occupy Thread a few weeks ago. It's as about a big of a swing and miss of what's going on in the US as his choice of combovers and suits. It might ring true to some elements of the Calgary Occupiers, but it's far from what's going on in places like Washington, New York, and Oakland.

valo403 · 11-16-2011, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by oilers_fan

I haven't followed this too closely, but have their been people who were instrumental in getting this up and running (both in Canada and NYC or wherever) that have now come out against what some of these idiots are doing? As in, have some of the true people behind this asked for some of the BS to stop because it's hurting their message?

Adbusters, who pretty much started the whole thing, have called for efforts to sort of fall back for the winter in order to regroup. I think that's really the best strategy, the talking points are quickly becoming less about income disparity or financial reforms and more about a fight to squat in parks.

c.t.ner · 11-16-2011, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by oilers_fan

I haven't followed this too closely, but have their been people who were instrumental in getting this up and running (both in Canada and NYC or wherever) that have now come out against what some of these idiots are doing? As in, have some of the true people behind this asked for some of the BS to stop because it's hurting their message?

nm.

(here's the article valo403 is alluding to)

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/201...nder-suggests/

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Last week, Mr. Lasn added, in an interview with The Guardian, that he was concerned that “The other side is owning the narrative right now. People are talking about drugs and criminals at OWS.” To change that, Mr. Lasn said, it might be time for “a grand gesture.”

Even for the large camps in the US, it probably makes the most sense. One just has to look at how the narrative around the Occupy Calgary has degenerated, and it's pretty clear that the initial impact is lessening and the discussion points are getting distorted.

Stay Golden · 11-16-2011, 11:29 PM

Occupy chant "we will not consent" to "we drop a brick on the bricks"

shermanator · 11-17-2011, 08:40 AM

Heard on CTV this morning that one protestor was offered a job yesterday morning by a man named Richard Evans. The interview was to be at 7 am this morning, but the protester didn't show up.

Haven't found any info online yet, but it's still pretty new

First Lady · 11-17-2011, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by shermanator

Heard on CTV this morning that one protestor was offered a job yesterday morning by a man named Richard Evans. The interview was to be at 7 am this morning, but the protester didn't show up.

Haven't found any info online yet, but it's still pretty new

At the 2.22 mark of this CTV news clip (from last nights newscast) a Calgary occupier accepts a job offer.

http://calgary.ctv.ca/servlet/an/loc...ub=CalgaryHome

This Sage Pullen tweeted this.

http://twitter.com/#!/CTVsagepullen/...76099066085376

Puppet Guy · 11-17-2011, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

This idiots dad must be so proud.

you think this guy knows who his dad is? More like one of seven guys who could be his dad must be proud.

Stay Golden · 11-17-2011, 09:43 AM

Hiding behind the Charter of Rights is going to stretch this out longer than people think.
I wonder why the city hasn't used health and safety to come in do an assesment and declair the site unsafe, unsanitary and close it down.

or what there is a fire. Bring out the fire hoses. Oops sorry about all the ice and blasting your tents to pieces these hoses can be unpredictable.

transplant99 · 11-17-2011, 09:45 AM

To kind of bring this thing full circle....was there any concise or discernable statement/manifesto of what it is that the protestors were protesting ever issued? I mean at this point it may not matter, but it would be nice to have some sort of basis for all this beyond what has been seen and said.

Stay Golden · 11-17-2011, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by transplant99

To kind of bring this thing full circle....was there any concise or discernable statement/manifesto of what it is that the protestors were protesting ever issued? I mean at this point it may not matter, but it would be nice to have some sort of basis for all this beyond what has been seen and said.

Here are their rambling demands. If you can make it through this chanting dribble. I couldn't. They sound like crazed coffee house poets in a kindergarten club house.
I like how they are presenting this to no one in city council.

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Vi...megadrop_story

First Lady · 11-17-2011, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by transplant99

To kind of bring this thing full circle....was there any concise or discernable statement/manifesto of what it is that the protestors were protesting ever issued? I mean at this point it may not matter, but it would be nice to have some sort of basis for all this beyond what has been seen and said.

Full list here

Stay Golden · 11-17-2011, 10:23 AM

Stay Golden · 11-17-2011, 10:29 AM

one of their demands

"We want a society and culture that encourages relationships that result less frequently in divorce"

and this is met how? Talk about your local crazy train

MarchHare · 11-17-2011, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Stay Golden

one of their demands

"We want a society and culture that encourages relationships that result less frequently in divorce"

and this is met how? Talk about your local crazy train

If you ask members of the radical religious right in the US, the divorce rate has something to do with gay people, apparently. To defend family values, we have to spend more effort hating fags or something.

bradster57 · 11-17-2011, 10:36 AM

Watching some of those videos and reading some of their "demands" makes me wonder if some of the protesters do actually have some mental illness issues. I'm serious, and I'm not trying to put them down.

It just looks to me like their sense of reality is really distorted. Some of the signs they are holding make little or no sense. I hope nobody gets hurt down there but with the cold weather looming who knows what could happen. I think it should be shut down asap, not for the damage to the park or the by-law infractions, but for health and safety concerns.

Regular_John · 11-17-2011, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by transplant99

To kind of bring this thing full circle....was there any concise or discernable statement/manifesto of what it is that the protestors were protesting ever issued? I mean at this point it may not matter, but it would be nice to have some sort of basis for all this beyond what has been seen and said.

The official line is "we're standing up against inequalities & injustice in the world! We are in solidarity with Occupy Wallstreet!"

But in my opinion, it's nothing more than a "me too" protest. They saw the Occupy movement springing up in US cities and thought "oh man, I've gotta get in on that, sticking it to the man and all"

Typical calls for "ok, what are you doing here? what is you want?" have been met with "we're a leaderless movement with no defined goal or agenda, it's whatever consensus we reach in our vibrant public forum".

The most concise "demand" released by occupy calgary specifically has been a call for a Vibrant Public Forum. Which actually sounds pretty good on paper, until anyone with an opposite opinion ridiculed & shouted at & labeled a troll. So it's a Vibrant Public Forum... as long as you believe the same things as the occupiers.

transplant99 · 11-17-2011, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by First Lady

Full list here

That's actually somewhat impressive if not completely ignoring reality....but I can get on board with more than a couple of their "wants".

Now, the next step is...how? Sitting in tents in Olympic Plaza certainly isnt helping anything, so step one should be too vacate that spot and get active. Start a grassroots movement that embodies all the wishes they have, form a political party as that is the ONLY way any change will come, and get busy gathering donations and finding qualified people to represent themselves to the masses.

Do that and I am on board.