CP 4th Annual Live Draft

[Aeneas]

I don't think there is anything closer to fair than a snake draft. I think all factors will equal out by the 11th player selected.

It will come down to who picks a surprising player when, who makes smart picks, who makes lucky picks, who gets hurt, etc.

I can forsee this though. It is the end of the draft 4x4 has won by the rules of the draft, that is he has more points than anyone else. Then Slava tries to form an alliance with troutman to usurp the victory by adding their points together.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Slava

I'm a little concerned about the number of entries...the guy who picks #1-5 has a huge advantage over someone picking say #17-20. The players there are probably 40 points behind.

I think 40 points is an exaggeration. Can someone do the math on 1 + 40 vs. 20 + 21 last year?

Some of us have other restrictions - for example, I normally will never pick a Canuck, Oilers or Hab (learned my lesson last year). Other people (Windom), have no conscience at all.

No mandatory goalies.

Here is a possible solution - auction off the top spots. Pay for draft order. The winning bid(s) go into the pot. Once people stop bidding on spots, the remaining order is determined randomly.

[FlamesKickAss]

I like the idea of no mandatory goalies, but we could still add them back, just have to limit the amount of goalies you can have, although a team of 11 goalies would be pretty funny

[Aeneas]

Originally Posted by troutman

I think 40 points is an exaggeration. Can someone do the math on 1 + 40 vs. 20 + 21 last year?

Some of us have other restrictions - for example, I normally will never pick a Canuck, Oilers or Hab (learned my lesson last year). Other people (Windom), have no conscience at all.

Exactly, that's why it will all work out even...ish.

ie if I have second pick and Ovechkin is gone, I will not select Crosby (injury), Malkin (dont like him), or a Sedin (should be obvious), or any Oiler/Canuck.

Smart ? No. But thats what I will do. I cant cheer for points all year from someone I dont like.

Ps for anyone new, you will recieve a peanut shower if you draft a Canuck. The length and ferocity of said shower relates directly to how much diving that player does. You have been warned.

[malcolmk14]

Originally Posted by troutman

I think 40 points is an exaggeration. Can someone do the math on 1 + 40 vs. 20 + 21 last year?

Some of us have other restrictions - for example, I normally will never pick a Canuck, Oilers or Hab (learned my lesson last year). Other people (Windom), have no conscience at all.

No mandatory goalies.

Assuming the drafting was flawless and everyone knew exactly where players would end up in the points race at the end of the year:

someone picking 1-44, etc for 11 rounds last year would be ~20-25 points ahead of someone picking 22-23.

The top 5 had a little bit of an advantage, and after that 6-22 would all be within ~5 points of each other.

Again, that's assuming that at draft time everyone knew exactly where players would end up. Chances of someone picking Corey Perry in the top 3 or 5 would have been pretty slim. Players like Selanne, Giroux, Eriksson, could have easily been taken in rounds 3 or later, throwing the whole thing off.

I think the snake draft is the fairest way to do it. We'll all just have to berate the people in the top-5 who take the Sedins.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by troutman

I think 40 points is an exaggeration. Can someone do the math on 1 + 40 vs. 20 + 21 last year?

Some of us have other restrictions - for example, I normally will never pick a Canuck, Oilers or Hab (learned my lesson last year). Other people (Windom), have no conscience at all.

No mandatory goalies.

Here is a possible solution - auction off the top spots. Pay for draft order.

Well 1 and 40 last year as compared to 20 and 21 was a net difference of 22 points. (104 and 62 as compared to 73 and 71). The original 40 point differential I was talking about was from the 1st to 20th pick though, and then the fact is that although you have two picks there you don't make that difference up right away.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Rhettzky

Yeah, but last year the top 5 guys didn't include the likes of Crosby and Ovechkin. It's still a bit of a crap shoot when you consider that Corey Freakin Perry was a hundred point guy last year. Anything can happen and there are a good fifteen to twenty guys in the NHL capable of putting up a hundred points.

Yeah, 2 years ago (when Hank won the Art Ross) I got the Sedins in Round 2 and 3 - didn't help me - I lost in the later rounds with brilliant pick-ups like Tkachuk...

[malcolmk14]

Originally Posted by Slava

Well 1 and 40 last year as compared to 20 and 21 was a net difference of 22 points. (104 and 62 as compared to 73 and 71). The original 40 point differential I was talking about was from the 1st to 20th pick though, and then the fact is that although you have two picks there you don't make that difference up right away.

I totally see what you're saying, but even if you had 12 people drafting instead of 20, the difference between 1 and 24 vs 12 and 13 is 22 points as well.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by malcolmk14

I totally see what you're saying, but even if you had 12 people drafting instead of 20, the difference between 1 and 24 vs 12 and 13 is 22 points as well.

I guess the drop between the top 5 and the rest is just big now matter what.

Well it is what it is. I basically put this out there as food for thought only and don't particularly want any changes to the format. I'm fine with it the way it is, but maybe was somewhat surprised with the difference between the first and 20th pick is all.

[iggnuef]

It's a hockey pool, which is a form of gambling. It's that simple, it's a gamble on who you draft and in what position. We can argue til the cows come home on the format to make it fair, but in the end it's for entertainment and not a way to make money.

I know I'm one of the new guys and don't want to ruffle any feathers. But there is no way to make it completely fair.

[Dion]

In my experience with these type of drafts the late picks in any draft often are the deciding factor in who wins. Finding that sleeper pick could make the difference for someone who is picking high in the draft.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Slava

I guess the drop between the top 5 and the rest is just big now matter what.

Auction the top 5 picks?

Here is a possible solution - auction off the top spots. Pay for draft order. The winning bid(s) go into the pot. Once people stop bidding on spots, the remaining order is determined randomly.

This could add a real fun element to the start of the draft. What are you willing to pay for 20 points?

[Slava]

I'm fine with it the way it is. There are evening out factors as others have noted, so its not a huge concern. It is a big pool, but maybe its not a factor in the final standings.

[Knut]

If you want to add more players in the 50 to 80pt range to help even things out you can make Defensman Goals worth 2 points.

For instance, Visnovksy had 18 goals and 50 assists last year for 68 pts. If Dmen were worth 2 points per goal, he would have 86 pts.

[malcolmk14]

Originally Posted by Hesla

If you want to add more players in the 50 to 80pt range to help even things out you can make Defensman Goals worth 2 points.

For instance, Visnovksy had 18 goals and 50 assists last year for 68 pts. If Dmen were worth 2 points per goal, he would have 86 pts.

I don't think 50-80 pt players are where it gets uneven.

I am happy how it is, there's not really anything you can do to balance out the top-5 picks but that's the way it is going to be. Parity in the league is so high right now that maybe there will be a 10-way tie for the Art Ross at the end of the year, it wouldn't surprise me.

[Dion]

We could have a single round for defenceman where the picking order is reversed. The person with the last pick in the regular rounds gets to go first in this one. It might even out the unfairness.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Dion

We could have a single round for defenceman where the picking order is reversed. The person with the last pick in the regular rounds gets to go first in this one. It might even out the unfairness.

Well the injuries and factors like that might even things out regardless...there could be no unfairness to begin with!

[FlamesKickAss]

unfairness has been making casino's millions, who are we to change things and make it "fair", life isnt fair!

[troutman]

Communist Hockey Pool - everyone wins $25.00.

[Aeneas]

Pretty good night on the TVs during the draft.

NHL games
WHL game
CFL game
Baseball 2 game 5's
Rugby Ireland v Wales

If only estonian topless honey wrestling was still on.