PC Leadership Race- Redford wins.

[Canada 02]

Originally Posted by GP_Matt

I do wonder what happens if the leader holds a by-election and loses. Does he keep trying or step aside and have another leadership race. It almost came to that in B.C. with Christy Clark.

it happened to Don Getty in 1989. Party won a majority, but Getty lost in his riding. I think the party forced an elected MLA to retire so Getty could take the riding in a by-election

[GP_Matt]

Talk about taking one for the team. Can you imagine if your boss asked you to quit so that he could have your position.

[jtfrogger]

Originally Posted by GP_Matt

Talk about taking one for the team. Can you imagine if your boss asked you to quit so that he could have your position.

I don't know what happened in the Getty situation, but such a move is easily rewarded with an appointment to another role. As an example on a national level, you could be appointed to the Senate. There would be examples on the provincial level, but they wouldn't necessarily be as high profile.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by jtfrogger

I don't know what happened in the Getty situation, but such a move is easily rewarded with an appointment to another role. As an example on a national level, you could be appointed to the Senate. There would be examples on the provincial level, but they wouldn't necessarily be as high profile.

Klein's predecessor, Don Getty, used the patronage system to compensate the Stettler MLA who resigned in 1989, clearing the way for Getty to run in a byelection after he lost his own Edmonton seat. Brian Downey, the Castor-area farmer, soon landed jobs with the Alberta Hail and Crop Insurance Corp and the Alberta Grain Commission.

http://www.canada.com/story_print.ht...08c33&sponsor=

[redforever]

Morton and Orman have thrown their support behind Gary Mar. That might be lights out for Horner and Redford.

[OldDutch]

Originally Posted by jtfrogger

I don't know what happened in the Getty situation, but such a move is easily rewarded with an appointment to another role. As an example on a national level, you could be appointed to the Senate. There would be examples on the provincial level, but they wouldn't necessarily be as high profile.

Isn't that what also happened with Harper and Ezra Levant. Only Levant tried to fight it?

"Ezra step aside buddy, and we will give you the keys to a plum magazine for conservatives.... Come on buddy..."

[SebC]

Originally Posted by redforever

Morton and Orman have thrown their support behind Gary Mar. That might be lights out for Horner and Redford.

I suspect Morton and Orman's supporters would have gravitated towards Mar anyways.

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by SebC

I suspect Morton and Orman's supporters would have gravitated towards Mar anyways.

Probably more towards the WRA if they haven't already found themselves there.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

Probably more towards the WRA if they haven't already found themselves there.

Yeah - Morton's base already left - hence nobody voted for him...

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

Probably more towards the WRA if they haven't already found themselves there.

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

Yeah - Morton's base already left - hence nobody voted for him...

Just to play devils advocate here, but what if the majority of voters actually prefer the more centrist option(s) as opposed to those further right? It could be that a lot of voters felt that we should be further right in 2006 but at this point would prefer to be more in the middle?

Maybe its that social conservatism that turns off a lot of would-be voters as well?

[crazy_eoj]

They should just change their name to the progressive party of Alberta.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by crazy_eoj

They should just change their name to the progressive party of Alberta.

Can't - the Poker Player's Alliance already has "PPA".

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Slava

Just to play devils advocate here, but what if the majority of voters actually prefer the more centrist option(s) as opposed to those further right? It could be that a lot of voters felt that we should be further right in 2006 but at this point would prefer to be more in the middle?

Maybe its that social conservatism that turns off a lot of would-be voters as well?

Except the WRA is not socially conservative. The fact that people think they are is strictly because they either associate all parties further to the right as automatically being socially conservative, or they're listening to a select few people who hate the WRA, and are trying to paint them as being socially conservative as it is the only way they can bring them down.

[troutman]

Conservative Republican Alberta Party

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Azure

Except the WRA is not socially conservative. The fact that people think they are is strictly because they either associate all parties further to the right as automatically being socially conservative, or they're listening to a select few people who hate the WRA, and are trying to paint them as being socially conservative as it is the only way they can bring them down.

If you got a couple of beers in them around the campfire, their true feelings would come out.

[GP_Matt]

Originally Posted by troutman

If you got a couple of beers in them around the campfire, their true feelings would come out.

I can assure you that as you get a few beers in me my anti social conservatism starts to come out. I am fiscally conservative and actively involved in the Wildrose. I would not stay long if I thought they were going to push any regressive social policies.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Azure

Except the WRA is not socially conservative. The fact that people think they are is strictly because they either associate all parties further to the right as automatically being socially conservative, or they're listening to a select few people who hate the WRA, and are trying to paint them as being socially conservative as it is the only way they can bring them down.

So everyone else has it wrong and they are misrepresented? Must be that darn "gotcha" media here to. Regardless though,my question still stands. Couldn't it be that quite a few more people identify with a more centrist view these days as opposed to 2006?

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by Slava

So everyone else has it wrong and they are misrepresented? Must be that darn "gotcha" media here to. Regardless though,my question still stands. Couldn't it be that quite a few more people identify with a more centrist view these days as opposed to 2006?

Who is 'everyone else'?, and no there hasn't been a move left since 2006. If the PCs had sold many more memberships than the 2006 race and elected someone like Redford, then maybe that arguement might have traction. It's obvious old PC voters are either staying home or part of another party (and judging by the interest paid to the Liberal leadership race it isn't them!). Your 'Hunt for a Red October' might have to wait yet another 5 years!

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Slava

So everyone else has it wrong and they are misrepresented?

The WRA is definitely strongly fiscally conservative, and social conservative to a lesser extent.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/37258476/W...-Policies-2010

Which parts of their platform do you find extreme on the social conservate side? III.A.1 where they talk about full funding for arts, music, and physical education? How about V.A.6 where they want to fully fund a mental health initiative? (Huge potential benefits related to poverty and homelessness) How about V.C.23 where they talk about extending prescription benefits to those in palliative and homecare? Or maybe VII.C.8 where they talk about increasing transition support for those fleeing from domestic violence?

[Knut]

Originally Posted by troutman

If you got a couple of beers in them around the campfire, their true feelings would come out.

Hidden Agenda !! Hidden Agenda !!