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Old 08-22-2011, 09:32 AM   #501
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I don't think there will be the long term insurgency if that's what you mean. Iraq was a much more different beast than here. Though with reports of looting by the rebel fighters, it might not turn out so well.
Iraq was about long suppressed religious differences while this is more about different tribes.

Probably less volatile as a result but most of these Middle Eastern cultures, while ancient, are fairly immature.

Fortunately, one of the benefits of free, mass communication is these populations seem to have learned from the visuals coming from Iraq in the mid-2000's, the sheer futility of it all, and will probably save themselves from the usual next step, killing each other until they exhaust themselves.

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I really wonder what happened to all of those Libyan army and Gadhaffi's guardsmen units when Tripoli fell... did they just all decide to go home? Or is this a trap?
No trap . . . . . history is rife with similar examples. Everyone has suddenly figured out who is going to win and those wearing the uniform of the inevitable losing side are going civilian to escape retribution.

The tipping point has been reached.

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Old 08-22-2011, 09:41 AM   #502
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Libyan rebels aren't taking any chances. 1st they take Gadhafi's sons, then Gadhafi himself. Then Carlos Santana. Then Fred Armison.
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Old 08-22-2011, 10:28 AM   #503
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No trap . . . . . history is rife with similar examples. Everyone has suddenly figured out who is going to win and those wearing the uniform of the inevitable losing side are going civilian to escape retribution.

The tipping point has been reached.

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I doubt that there is much left that can put together a trap. A lot of the senior military leadership and their units have spun over to the Rebels and the mercenaries that Ghadafi hired en masse at the start of this have taken their rather large pay checks and gone home, a paycheck is no good if your too dead to spend it.

The rebels have closed in on Ghadafi's compound, the only question that remains is how long he can hold out, if he's still there.
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Old 08-22-2011, 07:49 PM   #504
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Rebel's claims of Saif Gadhaffi being captured seem to be premature.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-14625205

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I thought this was pretty cool.. NATO leaflets being dropped on Tripoli..

http://blogs.aljazeera.net/liveblog/...g-23-2011-0433
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Old 08-23-2011, 08:39 AM   #506
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Those leaflets would probably be better served in Arabic or French
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Those leaflets would probably be better served in Arabic or French
LOL!! I can't believe how ignorant they are.
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Gadhaffi's probably not even in the country.
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Gadhaffi's probably not even in the country.
He's there.

The opportunity to run very far has been gone for a while.

He's going to have a Ceaucescu ending.

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He's there.

The opportunity to run very far has been gone for a while.

He's going to have a Ceaucescu ending.

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Yep, he should have made a run for Zimbabwe a few months ago...
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Does he get any credit for going down with the ship or is he just out of touch with reality?
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Does he get any credit for going down with the ship or is he just out of touch with reality?
No the only reason why he's sticking around is because nobody is willing to take him. There is a basic no fly zone over Libya and the Libyan navy is effectively boxed in and going nowhere.

I think that he understands the reality of the situation.

Usually Captains go down with their ship to either strike one last time against their enemy or to give their crew a better chance to get clear of the ship, but the whole concept of the Captain going down with the ship to accept responsibility for failure has been exaggerated.
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I guess NATO would prefer that the rebels string him up or at least take care of the legal forms before doing so, so that there are less ties for his supporters to cling to. A clean ending like bin Laden.

Say what you will about Obama but his foreign policies are working out pretty well.

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I guess NATO would prefer that the rebels string him up or at least take care of the legal forms before doing so, so that there are less ties for his supporters to cling to. A clean ending like bin Laden.
If the Rebels are smart they'll want to establish legitimacy very quickly with Nato and the UN so that any sanctions will be lifted and they can get the Oil flowing.

In order to do that if they get Ghadafi alive they will want to send him to the international courts to face charges of Crimes against Humanity.

The last thing that they want is a dead martyr driving a mini insurgency.
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Rebels overrun the Ghadhaffi's al-Aziziya compound, still haven't captured any of them though
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-14630702
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No the only reason why he's sticking around is because nobody is willing to take him. There is a basic no fly zone over Libya and the Libyan navy is effectively boxed in and going nowhere.

I think that he understands the reality of the situation.

Usually Captains go down with their ship to either strike one last time against their enemy or to give their crew a better chance to get clear of the ship, but the whole concept of the Captain going down with the ship to accept responsibility for failure has been exaggerated.
He still has pockets of loyalists throughout the westen desert at Sirte and deep in country at Sabah, he may have bailed on Tripoli over the last few days and be trying to drive out.
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A eerie look inside the war in Libya. This journalist had taken refuge in a hotel and claims snipers shot at him. Pretty scary stuff.



Its amazing how people can think NATO is working in the interests of peace, when they are the ones causing most of the damage and casualties.
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Its amazing how people can think NATO is working in the interests of peace, when they are the ones causing most of the damage and casualties.
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please, someone tell me they just saw that Libyan guy on Fox News with the Military hat, the HUGE gold chain and a gold cane.

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A eerie look inside the war in Libya. This journalist had taken refuge in a hotel and claims snipers shot at him. Pretty scary stuff.



Its amazing how people can think NATO is working in the interests of peace, when they are the ones causing most of the damage and casualties.
Russia Today, eh? The NATO airstrikes are in accordance with the UN SC Resolution 1973. Maybe that "journalist" missed this part because he was too busy keeping up with the status of the audio visual equipment of his hotel.
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