[Trade] Flames acquire Roman Horak and 2x 2011 2nd rd picks for Tim Erixon and 5th rd pick

[cznTiburon]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

About Horak... when was the last time the Flames had a Czech prospect in the system?

Sutter never drafted one.

Button drafted a few but I don't think he signed any?

Well Kotalik is like a czech prospect in that he has a lot of available talent, but he just cant seem to put it together... hopefully Horak can!

from what i can find Jiri Cetkovsky was the last one we drafted (5th round 2002) but obviously that didnt turn into anything

[Knalus]

Originally Posted by FakenHaken

Actually for me I don't give a darn who is "NHL Ready". We need our young AHL talent to make difficult decisions for the Flames.

I think, perhaps, they did make a difficult decision. But, cause you disagreed with that decision, you didn't think it was difficult? Difficult enough?? Huh? Or were you saying that the AHL is the ones who should be in charge of said difficult decisions?

I don't understand some cliches.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by FakenHaken

Just a stab Reichel?

Looks like the answer is Ronald Petrovicky

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Petrovicky

9th round pick in 1996

edit: well hes slovakian but he was born when the countries were unified

[FakenHaken]

Originally Posted by Knalus

I think, perhaps, they did make a difficult decision. But, cause you disagreed with that decision, you didn't think it was difficult? Difficult enough?? Huh? Or were you saying that the AHL is the ones who should be in charge of said difficult decisions?

I don't understand some cliches.

In the case of Brodie, I agree last year he forced the Flames to make the decision keep Brodie out of training camp. He stayed for 3 games and then didn't do enough to stay on the Flames, and was sent down to develop further.

I have actually agreed with the Flames the decisions they have made as to who stays and who is sent down makes sense. I don't agree with giving people jobs, because they were a first rounder. They have to earn the right to play in the NHL.

It is the responsibility of the veterans to keep their own jobs just as much as it is the responsibilty of the rookies to force management to say the rookie deserves the chance to play. If the rookie is good enough to earn the veteran's job well now you a decision to make. How do I make room for him taking into account Salary Cap, player roster size, etc......

[FakenHaken]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Looks like the answer is Ronald Petrovicky

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Petrovicky

9th round pick in 1996

edit: well hes slovakian but he was born when the countries were unified

Awesome job would not have guessed Petrovicky totally formatted the hard drive out of my mind when it comes to the mid 90's to 2002 and the young guns.

[868904]

Reading the Rangers forums and it's pretty clear there was some tampering involved here.

There are just way too many coincidences and "relations" between the Rangers and Erixon.

Maybe it's the hockey gods way of pay back for the Brent Sutter thing. but honestly, I thought the past two years was already more than enough karma.

[afc wimbledon]

A team makes different decisions regarding rooster depending on whether it sees itself as a contendor or whether it is going into a rebuilding period.

A team that is a contendor and so doesn't have space for its draftees uses its contendor status to keep them happy, they get to come up and hang with the team in the playoffs etc and although there is less chance of getting in, the teams status means that the payoff for making the team is higher, playoffs etc and also the draftee knows the team is 'cutting edge' in its approach to hockey as thats why its a contendor.

A draftee on a rebuilding team gets an easier chance to make the show, but on a crappier team.

Right now the Flames are neither, they arn't a contendor and yet pick their rooster as if they are one. It is a situation that will make it harder to please their draft picks in general.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Looks like the answer is Ronald Petrovicky

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Petrovicky

9th round pick in 1996

edit: well hes slovakian but he was born when the countries were unified

Man , he was fun to watch. Hit like a truck for a small guy and had some decent offensive ability. He was one of the forwards from those dark days that kept me interested.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

A team makes different decisions regarding rooster depending on whether it sees itself as a contendor or whether it is going into a rebuilding period.

I agree, I would go into self-reflection if I feel like I was going to switch up the type of chicken I eat on a daily basis. That's a big life decision.

[FakenHaken]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Right now the Flames are neither, they arn't a contendor and yet pick their rooster as if they are one. It is a situation that will make it harder to please their draft picks in general.

Correct, as we saw with Erixon! Oh and by the way I am in the camp of Erixon can go make out with his Daddy in New York. Feaster gave this kid short of a written guarantee that he would be a Calgary Flame. The player agents rebuttles were bogus.

Nothing would please Flames fans more than if we had a draftee legitimately proove in the next 3 years that he deserves the minutes that Bouwmeester gets. Am I hoping for something that will never happen? Possibly, but now the coach has a decision to make. Right now we don't have this talent that I can see.

However, I am always super stoked that somehow come September this all changes and I listen intently on the radio waiting for the rookies to show us they deserve to wear the Flaming C during the regular season.

[Vulcan]

Oh I think there was tampering going on for sure, the problem is that I think tampering is a way of life in the NHL. GMs are talking to agents all the time and I'm sure some talks slip off course often into other clients situations. They probably just have to be careful not to talk to players directly. Look at how many UFAs are signed as soon as the clock strikes on July 1. The contract wasn't negotiated in five minutes.

This agent, Erixon and his dad, and Sather led the Flames down the garden path with their changing demands. Demands that had the ring of truth to them but really were just delaying tactics until the only option left was the Ranger's deal. Smart moves but hardly ethical as they were dishonest. I hope Erixon ends up a complete bust but it probably won't happen.

The one time I had anything to do with Sather I should have given him a bigger run around than I did.

Oh yeah, after the complaints that Babchuk made about playing time were used by the agent in the negotiations, I think the chances of Babchuk coming back are nil.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

Pelech is a RFA, right? Though Erixon's departure may affect this, but I would imagine they won't even bother to qualify him...

Not sure but I wouldn't be surprised to see Chucko get the axe.

[sureLoss]

What the Rangers scouts saw in Horak:

http://flames.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=564587

The 20 year-old has incredible raw offensive talent but his small stature, listed at 6'1 and 170 lbs, is a concern for some. Bulking up before development camp will be one of Horak's priorities during his off-season training.

New York Rangers amateur scout Ernie Gare told NYRangers.com Horak's size was the team's main issue but it wasn't overly concerning.

"He's got a lot of good things going for him. He just has to get stronger right now ... He's going to try and put some muscle on his frame, and I think that will help all areas of his game.

"The effort and determination are there. It's just a case of him working to get stronger and fill that frame out."

Gare acknowledged that while he may still be undersized by NHL standards, his compete level has helped him succeed.

"He goes to the hard areas and the tough areas, even though he's not someone that's going to be laying guys out with big bodycheck," he said. "He sticks his nose in there in those tough areas and he has a willingness to go there in order to score or if it's needed on the forecheck to try to turn the puck over."

"His coaches are very high on him, too. They like his work ethic and tell me that he works very hard off-ice as well. He's a determined kid. He's a guy who's really going to chip in with some offense while being really responsible defensively."

The hf stuff about his work ethic is contradictory to what NHL scouts are saying about him

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Not sure but I wouldn't be surprised to see Chucko get the axe.

That's a given. I was assuming that, since Feaster didn't draft them, he wouldn't bother maintaining the charade that they are NHL prospects.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Not sure but I wouldn't be surprised to see Chucko get the axe.

Both Chucko and Pelech, as long as they are healthy, are good veterans to have on the farm but than as you say, I wouldn't be surprised either.

Other candidates are John Armstrong, Josh Meyers, Hugo Carpentier, Cam Cunning, Ryan Stone, and Matt Keetley.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Both Chucko and Pelech, as long as they are healthy, are good veterans to have on the farm but than as you say, I wouldn't be surprised either.

Other candidates are John Armstrong, Josh Meyers, Hugo Carpentier, Cam Cunning, Ryan Stone, and Matt Keetley.

Yep. Feaster mentioned yesterday that one of his goals was to trim the fat and if guys didn't have future potential with the big club they weren't going to be around. You to have to keep some AHL vets on your team for leadership and filler but some prospects will likely be let go.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by puckluck

Some of you guys are in full denial mode. The whole world sees it except for a handful of posters here.

The Flames have a bad reputation among young players whether you guys deny it or not. When you go out and sign or trade for bums like Staios, Stajan, Byron Ritchie, and Slowdin you really aren't earning a good reputation among your young players in Abbotsford waiting for their chance.

Hopefully Feaster can do away with the reputation which is real. And that reputation is pretty well earned.

The whole world also sees what a lot of people here are in denial about, and that is that our prospect pool quality is very low - perhaps the lowest in the league. A lot of these young players that people want to see getting chances, wouldn't even be given a 2nd look on most teams. It's arguable that Backlund would still be in the AHL on a lot of teams.


For the past few years, pretty much every hockey news source has ranked our prospects near the bottom of the league, so it should be no shock that we don't have many making the line-up.

[FakenHaken]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

The whole world also sees what a lot of people here are in denial about, and that is that our prospect pool quality is very low - perhaps the lowest in the league. A lot of these young players that people want to see getting chances, wouldn't even be given a 2nd look on most teams. It's arguable that Backlund would still be in the AHL on a lot of teams.


For the past few years, pretty much every hockey news source has ranked our prospects near the bottom of the league, so it should be no shock that we don't have many making the line-up.

Further to that I am finding it difficult that we actually get excited about career 3rd Liners 4th Liners just cracking the line up. Or a 6/7 defensemen. Maybe I'm alone in my thinking but I am kind of hoping for jeeze this kid has the chance to replace Iggy or Kipper. With that I know it's going to take a bit of time but I'm excited to see if Irving or Ortio can become a top 5 goalie in the NHL.

[sworkhard]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Yep. Feaster mentioned yesterday that one of his goals was to trim the fat and if guys didn't have future potential with the big club they weren't going to be around. You to have to keep some AHL vets on your team for leadership and filler but some prospects will likely be let go.

But you keep those AHL vets on AHL contracts, not NHL ones.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Both Chucko and Pelech, as long as they are healthy, are good veterans to have on the farm but than as you say, I wouldn't be surprised either.

Other candidates are John Armstrong, Josh Meyers, Hugo Carpentier, Cam Cunning, Ryan Stone, and Matt Keetley.

Chucko might be on the bubble, but I think there is no way the Flames don't offer Pelech a contract. He may or may not be NHL ready, but he is definitely serviceable in Abbotsford. I'd like to see him stay, and really push for that 6/7 spot in Calgary.