[Trade] Flames acquire Roman Horak and 2x 2011 2nd rd picks for Tim Erixon and 5th rd pick

[kipperfan]

Originally Posted by sworkhard

I agree about having one #5 and the other #6 is a problem as neither are great at moving the puck and every line should have at least one player above average at this. If Sarich was traded, I really do believe thet Carson could take his spot and probably be an improvement. I know not everyone agrees with me on that, but he's a mistake free kind of player, that's reasonably mobile (ie more mobile than Sarich and Pardy), and seems to play really well with Gio (who doesn't). He's an average, but not poor puck mover, but that's all he needs to be playing with a guy like Gio. You have to remember that Carson hardly played for the flames, but was billed as the reason that Carolina was able to get rid of an White and looked solid the last few games of the season.

Pardy's worse in almost every aspect than Carson IMO, but is good enough to play with a TJ Brodie on the bottom pair and have success. Brodie can move the puck well enough that they might work well together.

I will agree with you in saying that Carson has some upside. I wish we would have gotten a chance to see bit more of him but from what has shown, I wouldn't mind him being re-signed. But, to re-sign him as well as Pardy, both before UFA season even opens, would IMO be a big mistake.

I really don't see Pardy bringing anything special to the table, I truly believe replacing him would be rather simple and improving upon him wouldn't be all that tough either.

[gilligans_off]

Hey, it's better then what we got back for Phaneuf.....


.... I don't know if that made me feel better or worse

[JiriHrdina]

Listened to the interview with Feaster and a few things come to mind
- Pretty clear he did everything he could to sign Erixon. Max salary, A and B bonuses, willingness to let him play in Europe if he didn't make the team - pretty much the entire kitchen sink
- Also some mention by Feaster of some things that were said early on to the player by the old regime about not wanting him to be in Europe. That seemed to play a factor in the players perception about the Flames. A shame.
- Also clear that whenever a matter was addressed that Erixon's camp just changed their objection. Seems like he never wanted to play here and probably should have just told the Flames that from the start.

If people need to point fingers I think that the fingers should be pointed to Darryl Sutter not Feaster. The reasons why Erixon wasn't signed had more to do with Sutter issues than Feaster who is more of an unknown. Too bad this is the first major thing Feaster had to do.

[JustAnotherGuy]

This is a major fail by the Flames.

[Imported_Aussie]

listening to Feaster, and now NYR were so persistent, then were able to sign Erixon virtually right away after his rights were traded to them - does this raise the question of whether NYR "tapped up" Erixon.
If you were Feaster, would you want to make a case to the NHL about another organization possibly recruiting player whose rights belong to his team?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Listened to the interview with Feaster and a few things come to mind
- Pretty clear he did everything he could to sign Erixon. Max salary, A and B bonuses, willingness to let him play in Europe if he didn't make the team - pretty much the entire kitchen sink
- Also some mention by Feaster of some things that were said early on to the player by the old regime about not wanting him to be in Europe. That seemed to play a factor in the players perception about the Flames. A shame.
- Also clear that whenever a matter was addressed that Erixon's camp just changed their objection. Seems like he never wanted to play here and probably should have just told the Flames that from the start.

If people need to point fingers I think that the fingers should be pointed to Darryl Sutter not Feaster. The reasons why Erixon wasn't signed had more to do with Sutter issues than Feaster who is more of an unknown. Too bad this is the first major thing Feaster had to do.

Any level headed fan should not be pinning any blame on Feaster. People have to understand he's really inherited a mess and it's going to take time to turn things around on and off the ice and repair the perception around the league of a team that likes veteran players over youth.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

That said it appears that there may have been some back door negotiations with the Rangers and it's kind of disturbing how that Grossman and the Erixon's didn't let this out of the bag until very late in negotiations. No matter how you look at it the Flames got burned by the Rangers, Erixon and PuckAgency.

I can't agree with this.



This is your first round pick after all. The salary and bonuses are basically established. There is no reason not to sign unless you don't like the organization.


Any sane negotiation needed to set some sort of realistic deadline with the Erixon camp.

ie You are part of our plans and we need to sign you to an entry level contract at the end of the WJC.

Everyone was in Buffalo, Erixon, Feaster and agents.


This was when the Flames likely knew that Erixon wasn't going to sign with them. That was when they decided that they were going to trade his rights.

Feaster was very open about wanting to get the 2nd and 3rd round picks back for the draft. He wasn't going to get them for Sarich, Stajan, Langkow or Hagman.

They would have had eyeballs on Horak while watching Howse.

This wasn't a last minute deal..... it just happened at the last minute.

[Hack&Lube]

Erixon made the right choice for his future and a choice that many people would make in that position - if absolved of all feelings of obligation and responsibility.

Still, let's boo him when he gets here anyway.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Imported_Aussie

listening to Feaster, and now NYR were so persistent, then were able to sign Erixon virtually right away after his rights were traded to them - does this raise the question of whether NYR "tapped up" Erixon.
If you were Feaster, would you want to make a case to the NHL about another organization possibly recruiting player whose rights belong to his team?

Even without proof, thats what I'm assuming... and I'm pretty bitter about it.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Any level headed fan should not be pinning any blame on Feaster. People have to understand he's really inherited a mess and it's going to take time to turn things around on and off the ice and repair the perception around the league of a team that likes veteran players over youth.

Agreed - and hopefully it starts this year. I'd like to see one D spot to a rookie and two forward spots.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by JustAnotherGuy

This is a major fail by the Flames.

Seriously? Have you not read anything in this thread?

[sworkhard]

Originally Posted by Flaming Horse

Will is not something that is taught. It is something that is inside of you and you either have it or you dont. You are right about the sutter analogy though. It is refreshing getting some skill instead of will like sutter would have done.

Although will is not something that can be taught, it is something a person tends to get more of it as they are older. Perhaps its not so much will as a commitment to applying that will to all facets of the game that can be developed. So when I say that will can be developed, that is what I mean.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Roman Horak = Ruslan Zainullin

What a crappy day....

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Roman Horak = Ruslan Zainullin

What a crappy day....

Please tell us something about Roman Horak.

Anything.

[kipperfan]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Any level headed fan should not be pinning any blame on Feaster. People have to understand he's really inherited a mess and it's going to take time to turn things around on and off the ice and repair the perception around the league of a team that likes veteran players over youth.

Frankly, I don't think any level headed fan should blame Feaster or Sutter for this debacle. From all accounts, these "issues" were sprung upon the organization by Grossman/Erixon at the 11th hour.

How could Sutter have known he had a problem when Erixon was coming over for rookie camps and publicly stating he wanted to play for the team? I guess you could say Sutter should have signed him last season, but that wouldn't have been a logical move at all considering he knew Erixon was staying in Sweden last year. Why would he consider signing a player to an ELC, and wasting a year of said ELC, when the player in question has given no indication he wants to do anything but play for your franchise?

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Roman Horak = Ruslan Zainullin

What a crappy day....

Maybe he'll = Ales Kotalik!

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Please tell us something about Roman Horak.

Anything.

He'll tell you that Roman Horak is worse than Hitler.....no scratch that, worse than police officers.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Even without proof, thats what I'm assuming... and I'm pretty bitter about it.

There is no real proof but the evidence for this case is pretty strong. His dad played for the Rangers, he was born in NY. His dad is still involved with the organization and has connections. Both father and son had the same agent. Erixon's cousin and teammate in Sweden who was also represented by the same agent manages to get traded to the Rangers a few days earlier, etc. Swedish commenter says that since he was drafted, him and his family would only talk about the Rangers, etc. It's like Lindros and the Nordiques over again except they announced their intentions even before the draft while the Erixon family kept theirs to themselves.

All points to premeditated collusion to hold the Flames to the wire until Feaster had no choice but to accept a trade for whatever remotely reasonable offers come up - incidentally one from the Rangers.

[Imported_Aussie]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

There is no real proof but the evidence for this case is pretty strong. His dad played for the Rangers, he was born in NY. His dad is still involved with the organization and has connections. Both father and son had the same agent. Erixon's cousin and teammate in Sweden who was also represented by the same agent manages to get traded to the Rangers a few days earlier, etc. Swedish commenter says that since he was drafted, him and his family would only talk about the Rangers, etc. It's like Lindros and the Nordiques over again except they announced their intentions even before the draft while the Erixon family kept theirs to themselves.

All points to premeditated collusion to hold the Flames to the wire until Feaster had no choice but to accept a trade for whatever remotely reasonable offers come up - incidentally one from the Rangers.

I think in the next few drafts the Flames need to get one of their alumni with draft eligible sons to do a bit of father-son persuasion
Multiple Reinhart's in a few years

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

They did and he didn't want to play here for a variety of reasons including the Flames notoriety of not giving young players shots. Really this isn't news as posters have been complaining about this for years we just never realized that it was being viewed this way by agents and players to the extent it is.

Which young players didn't get shots when they clearly deserved them?