Kirk Cameron Attacks Stephen Hawking

[transplant99]

I know you Christians out there have very limited brains

yup...he is certainly above the "bad ones" with statements like that.

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by Cheese

As society grows and becomes more educated traditions change. There are literally thousands of examples of this.
Simply because you believe that "your" tradition needs to be upheld doesn't necessarily make it so.
Asking a fake deity to give me his blessing is akin to getting Santa Claus' blessing on the clothes I wear. The last thing I want my children to think is that someone's God had something to do with their education, when in fact it was my children's talent, studying and perseverance that made it so, to give false thanks would undermine their progression and abilities.
Further...I would suggest that religion is an individual experience, the way they transform themselves to meet societal change does not make them a tradition.

You atheists are so smug. What you call "education" is more accurately called "indoctrination". Your opinions on religion is gained by embracing unsupportable history and convenient generalizations.

I am not arguing that traditions change. Society is constantly changing and that is healthy. But, what we have here is one snotty nosed kid with mommy/daddy issues useing bad law to force the majority to bend to his will. That is not the way changes should take place. Where there is no discernible harm done to the minority the will of the majority should be upheld. Atheist boy should just suck it up for 5 minutes.

[photon]

Originally Posted by kirant

there was a ecological event where the world did have a large increase in water level.

How exactly would that work? How could you increase water level globally and then decrease it again later? Where would all the extra water come from and then go to? Space?

Not to mention a lot of the things which disprove a global flood also apply to a global "semi-flood".

Ancient societies lived around rivers and bodies of water. Those things flood. I don't think there's much more necessary to explain the prevalence of flood myths in many cultures.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

You atheists are so smug. What you call "education" is more accurately called "indoctrination". Your opinions on religion is gained by embracing unsupportable history and convenient generalizations.

I nominate this as the most unintentionally hilarious post on CP since flamesburnoil's infamous "pedal stool" quote.

[SeeBass]

^^^Just when I thought CalagaryBorn couldn't say anything more stupid....he tops it.

[Knut]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

You atheists are so smug. What you call "education" is more accurately called "indoctrination". Your opinions on religion is gained by embracing unsupportable history and convenient generalizations.

I am not arguing that traditions change. Society is constantly changing and that is healthy. But, what we have here is one snotty nosed kid with mommy/daddy issues useing bad law to force the majority to bend to his will. That is not the way changes should take place. Where there is no discernible harm done to the minority the will of the majority should be upheld. Atheist boy should just suck it up for 5 minutes.

Just curious ? Do you home-school your kids ?

[Thor]

This story is just a broad issue that is plaguing the bible belt which is in no hurry to follow constitutional laws. The fact is prayer in public school is exclusionary, not inclusive.

Here's another example of a court case which defies logic, why can't people see this as nothing short of shameful and wrong.

Atheists file suit in Oklahoma “prayer bullying” case

American Atheists filed suit in federal court today on behalf of an Oklahoma family who say their civil rights were violated by the Hardesty, Oklahoma Public Schools and the Texas County, Oklahoma Sheriff’s Department.
The daughter of Chester Smalkowski wanted to play basketball for the Hardesty Public Schools. She was forced from the team when she, an Atheist, refused to recite the Lord’s Prayer after a game as was required by the school. When the Smalkowski family complained about this unconstitutional practice, she was suspended. Further complaints resulted in criminal charges being brought against her father.
Chester Smalkowski refused to submit to a request from the District Attorney to move his family out of the County in exchange for the charges being dropped. His case went to trial last month, and he was acquitted of all charges by a jury. The Smalkowski children have been threatened and subjected to discrimination for the daughter’s refusal to participate in the prayer recitation.
The family is being represented in the civil lawsuit by Oklahoma City attorney Richard Rice, and by American Atheists National Legal Director Edwin Kagin of Kentucky who, together with attorney Tim Gungoll of Enid, Oklahoma successfully represented Chester Smalkowski in his criminal trial in Hardesty. Mr. Rice is a member of the Southern Baptist Church in Midwest City. Mr. Rice stated: “I have the right to pray, believe in God, attend church without fear of reprisal from any branch of any government here in America.” Co-counsel Edwin Kagin adds: “I have the right to NOT pray, to NOT believe in God, or to NOT attend church without fear of reprisal from any branch of any government here in America.” Both men, differing in their opinions in respect to theology, have teamed up to support the same legal and ideological position with regard to the First Amendment.

http://www.atheists.org/press_releas...238221%3B_case

[kirant]

Originally Posted by photon

How exactly would that work? How could you increase water level globally and then decrease it again later? Where would all the extra water come from and then go to? Space?

Not to mention a lot of the things which disprove a global flood also apply to a global "semi-flood".

Ancient societies lived around rivers and bodies of water. Those things flood. I don't think there's much more necessary to explain the prevalence of flood myths in many cultures.

This is exactly what I meant (guess the word "world" wasn't really accurate).

Larger than normal water flows (much like what we're seeing in Manitoba) in addition to the living patterns due to lack of easily transportable masses of water meant that the semi-floods, as you refer to them, which are really excessively swelling rivers, would act as a flood to the humans living at the time. I think many of the religious texts from the same region were describing the same swelling (and is what I meant in my post).

Though the more awesome explanation would have been aliens dropping massive quantities of water on the earth.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by SeeBass

^^^Just when I thought CalagaryBorn couldn't say anything more stupid....he tops it.

Well, he's usually good for at least one snotrocket-inducing statement per discussion. This one is particularly full of win.

[Thor]

By the way, since the great flood has been brought up. Robert Ballard feels he knows when and what this great flood was, not biblical but a very logical science based event after the end of the last ice age.

http://www.theforumchannel.tv/clips-single.aspx?id=57

I'll find the documentary where he goes to the Black Sea to look for this ancient shore line 500 feet under the Black sea, its a great show and its hard not to believe this is the ancient great flood story that permeated many religious of the ancient world.

[Knut]

Originally Posted by Thor

By the way, since the great flood has been brought up. Robert Ballard feels he knows when and what this great flood was, not biblical but a very logical science based event after the end of the last ice age.

http://www.theforumchannel.tv/clips-single.aspx?id=57

I'll find the documentary where he goes to the Black Sea to look for this ancient shore line 500 feet under the Black sea, its a great show and its hard not to believe this is the ancient great flood story that permeated many religious of the ancient world.

Ah... but Thor, that simply proves the tale of the great flood and Noah's Ark. Just like it was written in the bible.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by Hesla

Ah... but Thor, that simply proves the tale of the great flood and Noah's Ark. Just like it was written in the bible.

No, you're totally wrong, heathen. It simply proves the tale of the great flood and Utnapishtim. Just like it was written in the Epic of Gilgamesh.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utnapishtim (OMG, I'm linking to wikipedia! Attack my credibility!)

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by Hesla

Just curious ? Do you home-school your kids ?

Nope. Public school and today there will be a special assembly. They are going to have a Pow Wow. The local Kootenia band has a large Pow Wow that goes on all this long weekend on their reserve. So other tribes will be represented at the assembly as well I imagine.

[kirant]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

No, you're totally wrong, heathen. It simply proves the tale of the great flood and Utnapishtim. Just like it was written in the Epic of Gilgamesh.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utnapishtim (OMG, I'm linking to wikipedia! Attack my credibility!)

Okay. Blah blah blah Wikipedia blah blah blah my old English teacher blah blah blah 4chan.

By the way, since the great flood has been brought up. Robert Ballard feels he knows when and what this great flood was, not biblical but a very logical science based event after the end of the last ice age.

http://www.theforumchannel.tv/clips-single.aspx?id=57

I'll find the documentary where he goes to the Black Sea to look for this ancient shore line 500 feet under the Black sea, its a great show and its hard not to believe this is the ancient great flood story that permeated many religious of the ancient world

Do you have the name? I'd be interested in seeing the whole thing after that short clip of an interview/conversation.

[Knut]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Nope. Public school and today there will be a special assembly. They are going to have a Pow Wow. The local Kootenia band has a large Pow Wow that goes on all this long weekend on their reserve. So other tribes will be represented at the assembly as well I imagine.

And this pow-wow was optional to attend ?

[SeeBass]

[SeeBass]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Nope. Public school and today there will be a special assembly. They are going to have a Pow Wow. The local Kootenia band has a large Pow Wow that goes on all this long weekend on their reserve. So other tribes will be represented at the assembly as well I imagine.

I hope in the middle of this Pow wow that they stop to say that they want to pray for the true god of (blah blah blah). Please make sure your kids take part and follow their beliefs as they completly contradict your own.
If you don't like it and it is offensive to your children tough beans you are a minority there and it really isn't hurting anybody.

Now imagine that everyday to an atheist.

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by Hesla

And this pow-wow was optional to attend ?

You mean like a graduation? Sure I could keep the kids at home. That is always an option.

[Knut]

So you equate robbing a kid of his right to attend his graduation the same as not having them attend a pow-wow ..

Honestly, I am of the opinion the guy could have just sucked it up and gotten the hell out of that high school. The problem is that it was implied that everyone MUST pray.

[SeeBass]