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[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by photon

Are you claiming you didn't edit your post where you initially intentionally misquoted transplant99 to make a point?

Of course not. I'm saying that anyone with half a brain would realize, as you do, that I was making a point AND if one looked at the context of the back and forth between tranny and I, it would be clear I was not suggesting he was racist, just attempting to show how absurd his argument was.

Edit: just so we can put this to rest, I have no reason to believe transplant99 is a racist and if he honestly believes I was calling him one, I apologize.

[flames85]

Originally Posted by evman150

Not much else is left after you go the obfuscatory/epistemically nihilistic route.

Ripping on wikipedia is the last outpost of the hopelessly outwitted.

Well I guess some education is better than none at all. If you have attended any credible institution you too would know the credibility of some sources. Thanks for the constructive conversation though. Now you can tell your parents you learnt something today.

[photon]

Originally Posted by flames85

No i was seriously asking, what do some people consider "fact"? Because it seems like to some they need to see it physically to believe its fact. I wasn't insinuating anything more. It was in response to all the proof everyone was getting me, my point was just because there is no physical proof doesn't mean you can't believe.

Facts are observations. Conclusions can be drawn from facts, but facts themselves are simply information.

I found a clay pot, or a piece of manuscript that has this word on it, those are facts.

People are fully capable of believing things without facts, that doesn't mean that those things are true.

People still believe the earth is flat, or that they are being followed by the government in black helicopters, or that aliens abducted them and gave them an anal probe.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

This conversation isn't staffed with "reasonable people" or else nobody would care if someone wanted to pray in a public ceremony.

Who has a problem with people praying in a public ceremony?

They are free to pray on their own.

The prayer has no place in the ceremony but that doesn't stop people from praying if they want to.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

Nihilists.

Say what you will about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, but at least it's an ethos.

To muddy up the discussion even more, not that we're really getting anywhere or doing anything that doesn't get discussed pretty much every month anyway...

I've never got Nihlists. Wouldn't it truly be technically impossible to be a functioning nihlist? Or wouldn't the process of becoming a nihlist really need to involve commiting suicide?

It's kinda like anarchists... has to be the most idiotic 'philosophy' ever. It's kinda funny to see what happens when an anarchist needs help or is involved in a crisis, or even just has something horrible yet, chaotic (anarchy based) happen to their life. They look for order and safety too.

As functioning animals, we can't survive, in truth we fight against even subconsciously, nihlism and anarchy.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by robocop

so you're saying you've never lied in you're entire life? you're making it seem like a human being lying is a revolution, get over it. I don't know a single human being who isn't a liar



you really think that's why people hate religion? You can't be that uneducated can you?

You said i lied...technically even.

Now show me where this happened....should be easy....right?

[robocop]

^are you stating that you've never lied in your entire life? answer the freaking question.

Originally Posted by Daradon

To muddy up the discussion even more, not that we're really getting anywhere or doing anything that doesn't get discussed pretty much every month anyway...

I've never got Nihlists. Wouldn't it truly be technically impossible to be a functioning nihlist? Or wouldn't the process of becoming a nihlist really need to involve commiting suicide?

It's kinda like anarchists... has to be the most idiotic 'philosophy' ever. It's kinda funny to see what happens when an anarchist needs help or is involved in a crisis, or even just has something horrible yet, chaotic (anarchy based) happen to their life. They look for order and safety too.

As functioning animals, we can't survive, in truth we fight against even subconsciously, nihlism and anarchy.

you don't understand nihilism

[evman150]

Originally Posted by flames85

Well I guess some education is better than none at all. If you have attended any credible institution you too would know the credibility of some sources. Thanks for the constructive conversation though. Now you can tell your parents you learnt something today.

What did I learn today exactly?

Sorry, I'm thick. I've never attended a credible institution.

[photon]

Originally Posted by longsuffering

Of course not. I'm saying that anyone with half a brain would realize, as you do, that I was making a point AND if one looked at the context of the back and forth between tranny and I, it would be clear I was not suggesting he was rascist, just attempting to show how absurd his argument was.

Ok, so would you two please drop it then. You could have re-worded his sentence without making it look like he said it, the way that you did it could be construed as intentionally confrontational.

It may or may not have been, and you've gone back and edited it, so in the future please consider that.

transplant99, changing quotes to make a point is a common practice on forums and him including the portion that made it look like you said it could have been non-intentional, so it could have been resolved with a question before having to go to shooting back and forth.

In other words, both please take it easy and don't be so quick to whip out the knives please.

EDIT: Saw your edit above, thanks.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by flames85

Well I guess some education is better than none at all. If you have attended any credible institution you too would know the credibility of some sources. Thanks for the constructive conversation though. Now you can tell your parents you learnt something today.

LOL! Wow. Do you know half the people you are talking too? This may be the most educated person on the board. If not, def top 5. I guess it depends which disciplines you value in education. Maybe one of the oldest too. (Sorry Ev)

The fact that you are resorting to personal attacks that aren't even close to truth in show your arguments have run out.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by flames85

...facts for this.

http://www.afrol.com/articles/23093

...archaeological findings in Botswana show that our ancestors in Africa engaged in ritual practice 70,000 years ago - some 30,000 years earlier than the oldest findings in Europe, according to a report printed in the research magazine 'Apollon' published by the University of Oslo (Norway).

While, up until now, scholars have largely held that man's first rituals were carried out over 40,000 years ago in Europe, it now appears that they were wrong about both the time and place.

[flames85]

Originally Posted by Daradon

LOL! Wow. Do you know half the people you are talking too? This may be the most educated person on the board. If not, def top 5. I guess it depends which disciplines you value in education. Maybe one of the oldest too. (Sorry Ev)

The fact that you are resorting to personal attacks that aren't even close to truth in show your arguments have run out.

Personal attacks? Maybe you should backup a a page or two and see what set off my response! Educated or not doesn't give you the right to be an ###.

[puckluck]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

http://www.afrol.com/articles/23093

archaeological findings in Botswana show that our ancestors in Africa engaged in ritual practice 70,000 years ago - some 30,000 years earlier than the oldest findings in Europe, according to a report printed in the research magazine 'Apollon' published by the University of Oslo (Norway).

While, up until now, scholars have largely held that man's first rituals were carried out over 40,000 years ago in Europe, it now appears that they were wrong about both the time and place.

But were you there? if not, it's not fact.

[SeeBass]

Originally Posted by flames85

like i said, show me some facts, im not saying your wrong. like someone said earlier, the burden lies with the person making the claim. (not that i agree)

Do you mean like somebody claims that there is a heaven so now they must prove it?

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by robocop

you don't understand nihilism

Very possible, kinda why I said it the way I did. 'I don't get,' and 'Wouldn't it,' etc. I was looking for information as much as I was sharing.

[flames85]

Originally Posted by puckluck

But were you there? if not, it's not fact.

If you can't see God, then that must mean he doesn't exist?

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by robocop

^are you stating that you've never lied in your entire life? answer the freaking question.

I am asking you to prove it...simple request.

but to get off that...it wasnt about lying as much as it was about flat out calling me a racist on something that had nothing to do with such....feel better?

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by photon

Ok, so would you two please drop it then. You could have re-worded his sentence without making it look like he said it, the way that you did it could be construed as intentionally confrontational.

It may or may not have been, and you've gone back and edited it, so in the future please consider that.

transplant99, changing quotes to make a point is a common practice on forums and him including the portion that made it look like you said it could have been non-intentional, so it could have been resolved with a question before having to go to shooting back and forth.

In other words, both please take it easy and don't be so quick to whip out the knives please.

EDIT: Saw your edit above, thanks.

Sure thing boss....you and I both know better.

[robocop]

Originally Posted by Daradon

Very possible, kinda why I said it they way I did. 'I don't get,' and 'Wouldn't it,' etc. I was looking for information as much as I was sharing.

you won't get a solid understanding of a philosophy on an internet forum where people can't quit calling eachother names. your comparison of anarchy and nihilism is a little off because of the logical thought processes associated with nihilism and the emotional irrational thinking associated with anarchy

Originally Posted by transplant99

I am asking you to prove it...simple request.

ANSWER THE DAMN QUESTION!

[Daradon]

Somewhere, Cheese has opened a beer and is laughing his a$$ off.