The Bloc are hell bent on one thing only and that is Quebec, therefore they should have no say in policy decsions as they simply have no interest what happens anywhere else in the country.
The NDP making economic policies should scare the bejezzuz out of everyone IMO, but at least they are a nationalist party.
I have said all along any combination of the Liebrals/CPC and the NDP that can get together and form government, then so be it and get to work.
Anything requiring the Bloc to prop it up regardless of "promises" to just not vote to defeat the house is absolutely unacceptable to me however. they simply wont do anything of the sort without some major greasing of the palms for one province only.
It usurps the entire process that is in place when someone gets that much power without running candidates in 80% of the ridings in the country. It is inherently disingenuous to allow it.
the new GG may have a real serious problem on his hands within a few weeks.
We are in complete agreement in your first three statements.
NDP will bankrupt us. But still probably better than coddling a large Sep. minority.
And like you finished. It destroys the process to put that much power in... blah blah blah, you said it and I agree. It's so dumb.
I guess this is kinda why I question the 'leak'. It doesn't help the CPC, it only switches sides...
And again, I hate any party doing it. But as a logical person. it kinda offends me. It's stupid. It's not gaining CPC votes, it's shoving Lib and Bloc votes.
The Bloc are hell bent on one thing only and that is Quebec, therefore they should have no say in policy decsions as they simply have no interest what happens anywhere else in the country.
The NDP making economic policies should scare the bejezzuz out of everyone IMO, but at least they are a nationalist party.
I have said all along any combination of the Liebrals/CPC and the NDP that can get together and form government, then so be it and get to work.
Anything requiring the Bloc to prop it up regardless of "promises" to just not vote to defeat the house is absolutely unacceptable to me however. they simply wont do anything of the sort without some major greasing of the palms for one province only.
It usurps the entire process that is in place when someone gets that much power without running candidates in 80% of the ridings in the country. It is inherently disingenuous to allow it.
the new GG may have a real serious problem on his hands within a few weeks.
I'm hoping that the destruction of the Liberal's will provide us with some parliamentary stability for a while.
I have a gut feeling that Ignatieff would be all over a minority political alliance with Layton as long as he could make a similar back room deal as he did in terms of his Liberal leadership and become Prime Minister. In any arrangement right now he becomes a distant second banana to Layton.
Plus the Liberal's are definitely going to focus internally on fixing their leadership deficit and their party before they go the the polls again. So being in third place might be a benefit for the Liberals.
But I still figure that we're at the polls in the next 3 to 6 months.
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1. You think that this shouldn't be discussed.
2. You compare this to the Birth Certificate crap, which is rooted in racism.
Ok 1. I do agree this shouldn't be discussed. It's pointless to the race, and although weird and or cheap, not inexcuseable, ESP if the wife is sticking up.
But 2. You are right. There is a bigger issue on the defensive in the Cert. issue. However, that is not what I was arguing. I was arguing against those who brought it up and what they said, not what the issue became. It was used as a political tactic first and foremost. I was arguing against polictical grandstanding and avoision of issues. This issue, like the Cert. issue, is just a tactic by the other parties. That's what I'm upset about.
Ok 1. I do agree this shouldn't be discussed. It's pointless to the race, and although weird and or cheap, not inexcuseable, ESP if the wife is sticking up.
But 2. You are right. There is a bigger issue on the defensive in the Cert. issue. However, that is not what I was arguing. I was arguing against those who brought it up and what they said, not what the issue became. It was used as a political tactic first and foremost. I was arguing against polictical grandstanding and avoision of issues. This issue, like the Cert. issue, is just a tactic by the other parties. That's what I'm upset about.
I think every political party is now guilty of what you decry as being grandstanding - the NDP included. Half of the election platform seems to be based around Harper bashing and how he wants to destroy health care, social security and the like. Fact is the more that Jack Layton talks about his policies the more obvious that he is out of touch with the realities of the world, particularly regarding economics. It is when things get dirty and where personal attacks start getting thrown about that I think Jack Layton comes of better than any of the other leaders because he does carry himself well and he does have charisma - if nothing else. Plus this way Layton doesn't have the focus on the fiscal realities of his platform which harms him more more in my mind than getting a blowjob from a "massage therapist"
My Math:
The majority of 7.4 Billion $ (Cap and Trade) + 2 Billion $ (Change in O&G subsidies) + More than enough to make it an even 10 Billion $ (increase in the corporate tax rate).
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My Math:
The majority of 7.4 Billion $ (Cap and Trade) + 2 Billion $ (Change in O&G subsidies) + More than enough to make it an even 10 Billion $ (increase in the corporate tax rate).
You need to add in the effects of the corporate tax increase on the energy sector as well, but thats kind of nebulous, but he figures over the next 4 years if he should win that it would bring in about about 31 billion.
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What is it about the Westminster system that Harper fails to understand? I can understand not liking it, arguments that it is outdated, tweaking the electoral system, calling for reform, but his actions have shown a latent disrespect for institution. I can completely understand why people question his motives, as Peter Russel does below:
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If the minority situation has the NDP and Liberals with enough seats to defeat the Cons in Parliment then I might be able to accept it, though I believe that Ignatieff is incompetent and the NDP platform is terrible.
I don't accept it personally if there is any requirement by the Bloc to formerly support a Liberal NDP grouping.
And what the frack is he supposed to say in an election? That he would respect a coalition or accept a coalition? That would be the end of his campaign there. So I certainly don't question his motives. I would lose respect for Harper if the Coalition was inacted and he didn't do his best to destroy it.
And maybe Peter Russel should accept that Canadian's just didn't like Ignatieff and didn't give a crap about the contempt of Parliment committee made up of members of the opposition. The rest of his post is the typical boogie boogie I'm scared of the Harper government.
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What is it about the Westminster system that Harper fails to understand? I can understand not liking it, arguments that it is outdated, tweaking the electoral system, calling for reform, but his actions have shown a latent disrespect for institution. I can completely understand why people question his motives, as Peter Russel does below:
I think this is one of the things that bothers me about Harper. He is fine with the system when it allows him to prorogue parliament or form a government with only 1/3 of the public actually wanting him to (which are both legitimate under the system we use), but then he is totally against it when it comes to opposition parties forming coalitions (which are also 100% legit).
I think whether people are cutting down Harper for using the tools available to him, or the Liberals/NDP for using the ones available to them... don't hate the players, hate the game.
I don't know if it will ever happen in my life time, but I think the constituational monarchy and parliamentary system associated with it are terribly outdated. When we nation build, we never impose this system on new democracies. I wonder why?
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What is it about the Westminster system that Harper fails to understand? I can understand not liking it, arguments that it is outdated, tweaking the electoral system, calling for reform, but his actions have shown a latent disrespect for institution. I can completely understand why people question his motives, as Peter Russel does below:
Contempt of Parliament simply means that the opposition voted against the Conservatives and found them in contempt. It's not something found by an unbiased court of law and if majority governments in the past weren't able to defeat such votes, then they too would have been found in contempt by the opposition. The whole thing is just politicking and if this is the most important election issue for this Peter Russel guy, then he fits the bill of being an old, out of touch academic.
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My Math:
The majority of 7.4 Billion $ (Cap and Trade) + 2 Billion $ (Change in O&G subsidies) + More than enough to make it an even 10 Billion $ (increase in the corporate tax rate).
I LOL'd, you need to make more of these. This one's already my facebook profile photo!
Aside from the constitutional crisis and absolute disdain for democracy this would cause there is another troubling issue here. Its appalling to think that partisans are shouting down journalists as they ask questions of the PM. It's not the first time, but it really is one of the worst things that can happen.
