2011 Canadian Election Thread

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by Slava

really? A member of the government stating that fact is "no evidence? You have got to be kidding!

OK you've got evidence, but it is just hearsay. Did the guy even said he heard this from Harper?

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by Slava

Good for you. Campaign on that fact and if more people vote for you than people who vote for someone else and you can enact laws in accordance with those wishes.

Or maybe I'll just never pretend that abortion is right or good. Maybe I'll never let anyone in my small circle of influence think that an unborn child is worthless. Maybe I'll never be silent to allow others to be comfortable.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Or maybe I'll just never pretend that abortion is right or good. Maybe I'll never let anyone in my small circle of influence think that an unborn child is worthless. Maybe I'll never be silent to allow others to be comfortable.

Listen, I'm not attacking your stance at all - I'm just asking that if this is the agenda then put it out there transparently.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Slava

Listen, I'm not attacking your stance at all - I'm just asking that if this is the agenda then put it out there transparently.

But its not an agenda Slava, Harper has now stated twice that Abortion is not on the Agenda, the Supreme court would also never allow it to be repealed.

If we're playing this game why aren't we talking about John Reilly's soft on Crime Stance and stated that because he's discussed it, then it must be the lay of the land for the Liberals.

OR the Green Party Buffoon who blogged about "If your going to get raped, you might as well lay back and enjoy it" That must mean that the Green Party platform has a hidden agenda that will allow for the setup of rape farms across Canada.

[North East Goon]

Jack Layton sure is running a great campaign. Good on him! Anyone that can steal votes away from a seperatist party is fine by me regardless of where they sit in the political spectrum.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

But its not an agenda Slava, Harper has now stated twice that Abortion is not on the Agenda, the Supreme court would also never allow it to be repealed.

If we're playing this game why aren't we talking about John Reilly's soft on Crime Stance and stated that because he's discussed it, then it must be the lay of the land for the Liberals.

OR the Green Party Buffoon who blogged about "If your going to get raped, you might as well lay back and enjoy it" That must mean that the Green Party platform has a hidden agenda that will allow for the setup of rape farms across Canada.

John Reilly was front page news, and he's not a sitting member of the government. I don't see why this can't be acknowledged for what it is: A member of the government telling the public what the government plan is during an election campaign.

[Resolute 14]

So why is some back bench MP's words "the government plan", but not the Prime Minister's?

Way to pick and choose what you desire to believe.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Slava

John Reilly was front page news, and he's not a sitting member of the government. I don't see why this can't be acknowledged for what it is: A member of the government telling the public what the government plan is during an election campaign.

He might be a member of government, but he's certainly a backbencher with zero portfilio, and the Prime Minister in seating has said that he's basically full of poop.

And by full of poop, basically the Prime Ministers spokes person stated that he didn't know where he got his information.

Remember that there was a private members bill last year on abortion, and the Conservatives didn't even support it.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

So why is some back bench MP's words "the government plan", but not the Prime Minister's?

Way to pick and choose what you desire to believe.

Exactly...the evidence is pretty obvious where this whole issue is gonna go...and that is to nowhere.

Its like talking to a wall.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

So why is some back bench MP's words "the government plan", but not the Prime Minister's?

Way to pick and choose what you desire to believe.

If this was a Liberal making these allegations I'd be inclined to agree. I just think that when a guy from the governing party is making this comment at a campaign speech he should know better than us?

Its not like I'm digging deep here, a guy in government says this is the plan. Why would he lie about this?

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by Slava

Listen, I'm not attacking your stance at all - I'm just asking that if this is the agenda then put it out there transparently.

Understood. But, I can easily see how something like this might be blown out of proportion. This is probably what happened: This MP recieves a petition to defund Planned Parenthood. He takes it to the Cabinet minister in charge of overseeing the medical system. He agrees that it is something worth considering. Heck! He might even have thought it was a great idea and said he was going to push for it with Harper. Harper hears the idea and thinks it is reasonable but, not today. There is going to be an election after all. The Cabinet minister reports back to the MP that Harper likes the idea but, it will never pass with a minority government. The MP then answers the question in the town hall and puff we have a secret agenda.

Personally, I think if Harper gets a majority he would be smart to hold off considering defunding Planned Parenthood until 2014 when the transfer Payments are readdressed. He could defund PP at the same time as raising transfer payments to Provinces. This would appease part of his base while at the same time keeping his pledges not to open the abortion debate or interfering with how the Provinces administered health care.

[WilsonFourTwo]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

So why is some back bench MP's words "the government plan", but not the Prime Minister's?

Way to pick and choose what you desire to believe.

It's a solid point you've got there.

The reason I don't believe the Conservatives are (or will ever) attempt to repeal abortion laws is simple......they can't get it done, and even trying will destroy the party.

My guess is that the socially liberal part of the Conservative party (which is WAY larger than the bible thumping group) would go into absolute hysterics if something like anti-abortion legislation were ever tabled. The supporters of the legislation would find themselves in the pogey office pretty darn quick.

[FlamesAddiction]

Harper says he won't re-open the abortion issue, so it comes down to either believing him or not.

An individual MP making a claim doesn't really mean anything. If it is the wish of his or her constituents that the issue is talked about, then the MP has duty to bring it up. Harper may not pursue it... he says that he won't.

If the MP claims inside knowledge that Harper does intend to open the issue, then that changes things. As of right now, it sounds like the agenda of one particular MP.

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by Slava

The idea that a decision on this has been discussed and potentially made, and trying to hide it during an election though wouldn't sit well with me, regardless of the party/position.

If TV has taught me anything... " I refuse to take a GST hike off of the table"

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by WilsonFourTwo

It's a solid point you've got there.

The reason I don't believe the Conservatives are (or will ever) attempt to repeal abortion laws is simple......they can't get it done, and even trying will destroy the party.

My guess is that the socially liberal part of the Conservative party (which is WAY larger than the bible thumping group) would go into absolute hysterics if something like anti-abortion legislation were ever tabled. The supporters of the legislation would find themselves in the pogey office pretty darn quick.

If I remember the private members bill last year, it would have made it illegal to coerce or force a woman to have an abortion, but the Conservatives made it a concience vote, and the vast majority of votes by the Conservatives killed the bill.

To me, it was a pretty smart move by Harper to try to show that his party wasn't a bunch of nuckle dragging knee jerkers socially conservative types.

I'm honestly surprised that Harper didn't bring this up.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Slava

If this was a Liberal making these allegations I'd be inclined to agree. I just think that when a guy from the governing party is making this comment at a campaign speech he should know better than us?

Its not like I'm digging deep here, a guy in government says this is the plan. Why would he lie about this?

Why would Harper lie about this?

Also, should I take the Liberal candidate in Wild Rose's words as meaning "the Liberal plan" includes being soft on sexual assault?

Candidates on all sides have made some pretty boneheaded statements and claims. That doesn't make them true.

[old-fart]

Technically speaking, this backbench nobody is not part of the government. All he is right now is someone hoping to get re-elected, just like those he is running against are hoping to get elected. So, what he says carries as much weight as anything a Liberal, NDP, Green (or whatever other nutbar party you want to pick) says. You know, like the Liberal candidate who doesn't think sexual assault offenders should be put in jail, or the Liberal candidate who thinks Aboriginals are "dead beat feather heads".

Let's not even start talking about good old Hedy Fry, shall we? That could spin into a whole 'nuther thread about "stupid things politicians say" and yet she continues to be a member of the Liberal party of Canada and continues to run for re-election for them.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Flabbibulin

What?! Planned Parenting may not be funded?!

Im getting my NDP voting pen! Forget the economy, national debt, foreign relations, health care and everthing else! This is outrageous!

Are we trained to get worked up in a fuss whenever this subject comes up, or do that many Canadians plan on getting a publiclly funded abortion in the next few years??

Use tax dollars to pay for these programs or dont. I wont change my vote one way or another...

No kidding.

Have an abortion if you want, but there is no way in hell I should be paying for it.

[CaptainCrunch]

As an add on to weird, Liberal MP Glen Pearson promised that a Liberal Government would compensate Students for Volunteer hours.

He did this while talking to Students, but its nowhere in the Liberal Platform.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

As an add on to weird, Liberal MP Glen Pearson promised that a Liberal Government would compensate Students for Volunteer hours.

He did this while talking to Students, but its nowhere in the Liberal Platform.

I'm almost 100% sure that Ignatieff talked about this on his campaign opening day speech too, giving tuition credits for volunteer time.