Libya headed for civil war? Update: Gadhafi dead

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

I am sure about that. Obama has a better international reputation than Bush. It's like night and day. If you can't see that then I don't know what to say.

You think the average Joe citizen of any foreign nation now looks at America in a positive light because Obama is in office?

Okay....I don't agree personally.

He might have a better reputation with all the political/business cronies, but your average person, I don't think so...

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by T@T

What is it you have a problem with? are you afraid of the UN policing the world?

I generally dislike what the U.N. represents (eg. Agenda 21), and generally oppose any form of world governance, as it ultimately takes policy making power away from the people and into the hands of the few, as they say.

Centralization never ends well.....

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by IliketoPuck

I do remember reading about that, so many years ago though. Still very fascinating that something so small could make such a big difference. From what I remember, American planes could be virtual bullet sponges because of the fuel tanks. The problem for the Japanese if I recall as well was that the tanks didn't have a bladder that collapsed as the fuel was spent, so vapors collected in the fuel tanks making them highly explosive?

Thats why American's started using explosive rounds and were trained to aim at the zero's gas tank. It was basically a metal container filled with fumes.

The Zero's were the tie fighters of the Japanese empire, fast decently armed but a death trap for the pilot.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

You think the average Joe citizen of any foreign nation now looks at America in a positive light because Obama is in office?

Okay....I don't agree personally.

He might have a better reputation with all the political/business cronies, but your average person, I don't think so...

Well I'm guessing you live in the same "foreign nation" I do.

Do you think his reputation in Canada is any better than George Bush's?

This is a ridiculous "argument".

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Barnes

You can bet JTF2 are also there. They have also recently been in Nepal, Zaire, Rwanda, Tanzania, Peru, Congo, Sudan, Bolivia, and Iraq. All countries we have yet to invade.

Soon we will have Task Force Arrowhead available for situations like this too.

You make it sound like JTF-2 was sneaking around in those countries zapping insurgents.

They were invited to Nepal by the government there to train the Nepal army in fighting against rebels.

They acted as Body Guards for Canadian officials in Zaire, Congo, Rwanda and Tazania

Peru was interesting as Canada was asked to provide JTF2 to plan and execute an ambush on hostage takers, but the plan was aborted due to a negotiation failure with the hostage takers

I've heard rumors that they were in the Sudan hunting Taliban leaders at the request of the government there.

I think Bolivia they were used as Bodyguards.

The main theatres of action were in Iraq where they supposedly rescued members of a christian peacekeeping group that were being held hostage.

Afghanistan where they're doing a little of everything.

Bosnia where they hunted snipers, and were also supposed to rescue hostages, and were in one instance within three feet of a hostage taker when the rescue attempt was aborted.

They are also training hostage rescue and swat teams for Haiti and a bunch of other countries.

Operation Arrowhead is actually a very cool concept which is designed to deploy extremely quickly to international hot spots when requested. It will be made up of JTF2 members and members of the CSOR (special operations Regiment) in other words the best members of the Canadian Special Forces Community.

I think that the concept is similar to the more shadowy elements of the U.S. Delta Force.

There's an interesting reason why its called task force arrowhead

[SebC]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

I generally dislike what the U.N. represents (eg. Agenda 21), and generally oppose any form of world governance, as it ultimately takes policy making power away from the people and into the hands of the few, as they say.

Centralization never ends well.....

And allowing a despot dictator to bomb his own people doesn't do that?

I'm proud of the UN for actually doing something useful. This is their finest moment in years.

[burn_this_city]

US Africa Command (AFRICOM), which is overseeing American efforts in Libya, has released a statement on the downed F-15:

Two crew members ejected from their U.S. Air Force F-15E Strike Eagle when the aircraft experienced equipment malfunction over northeast Libya, March 21, 2011 at approximately 10:30 p.m. CET.
Both crew members ejected and are safe.
The aircraft, based out of Royal Air Force Lakenheath, England, was flying out of Aviano Air Base in support of Operation Odyssey Dawn at the time of the incident.
The cause of the incident is under investigation.
The identities will be released after the next of kin have been notified.

[Flame Of Liberty]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Are you sure about that?

I wonder if Afghan people think Obama is so friendly?

I really doubt that Obama's presidency has changed the minds of the international community with respect to their negativity toward America. He has at the very least maintained the George W. Bush wars in the ME, and on some fronts even expanded wars into Pakistan, Yemen etc.

And they gave him the Nobel Peace Prize !!!.......total hypocrisy.

BTW so i take it that none of us has any idea what exactly are these rebels all about, what they stand for other than getting rid of Gadhafi...

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Flame Of Liberty

BTW so i take it that none of us has any idea what exactly are these rebels all about, what they stand for other than getting rid of Gadhafi...

It seems to be Benghazi lawyers, some military guys who've split from the Colonel (but are hedging their beds), and the fellows with the beards...

[FlameOn]

US F-15E crashes in Libya. Government denies that it was shot down
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12816226

[worth]

One Libyan who came across the crashed jet told Britain's Daily Telegraph that one pilot held his hands in the air and said "OK, OK", but was quickly thanked by locals for his participation in the air strikes.

Younis Amruni told the Telegraph: "I hugged him and said 'don't be scared, we are your friends'."

A queue formed to shake the hand of the airman, as locals thanked him for his role in the attacks.

"We are so grateful to these men who are protecting the skies," he said. "We gave him juice and then the revolutionary military people took him away."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...nd-or-foe.html

That is pretty awesome.

[mykalberta]

Originally Posted by SebC

That, in the interests of democracy, should not be decided by who can drop bombs from the sky.

IMO that is a BS excuse - why is the world only now worried about civilians.

Why not? To the winner goes the spoils, if you want to overthrow your government instead of living under its foot you need to fight and assume that you will not have the upper hand.

Did the US have the upperhand against the British in their war for independence?

[SeeBass]

Originally Posted by mykalberta

IMO that is a BS excuse - why is the world only now worried about civilians.

Why not? To the winner goes the spoils, if you want to overthrow your government instead of living under its foot you need to fight and assume that you will not have the upper hand.

Did the US have the upperhand against the British in their war for independence?

They wouldn't have been able to do it if it were not for the French.

[Sainters7]

Originally Posted by SeeBass

They wouldn't have been able to do it if it were not for the French.

100%. I'm by no means one of those oh so many U.S. bashers in this country, in fact I usually defend the States to my couple hippy, America-hater buddies. But I always find the U.S.'s hate of France ironic considering France played such a pivotal role in helping them achieve independance. I wonder if most Americans know the Statue of Liberty was actually a gift from France and there's identical (albeit smaller) ones in Paris.

[Bigtime]

Apparently they grabbed the 2 F-15E pilots with a USMC MV-22.

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by Bigtime

Apparently they grabbed the 2 F-15E pilots with a USMC MV-22.

That explains why some reports said helicopter, others said plane.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Sainters7

100%. I'm by no means one of those oh so many U.S. bashers in this country, in fact I usually defend the States to my couple hippy, America-hater buddies. But I always find the U.S.'s hate of France ironic considering France played such a pivotal role in helping them achieve independance. I wonder if most Americans know the Statue of Liberty was actually a gift from France and there's identical (albeit smaller) ones in Paris.

The US hates France? I think a lot of countries mock France for how quickly they fell in WWII, and French people can be arrogant. However, I wouldn't say anybody hates France.

[Ducay]

Originally Posted by blankall

The US hates France? I think a lot of countries mock France for how quickly they fell in WWII, and French people can be arrogant. However, I wouldn't say anybody hates France.

Any distate of France by US citizens is generally superficial and based on the whole Iraq situation and subsequent "Freedom Fries" hilarity.

I don't think anyone really hates France (one of the bigger Western powers) do they? (Except for the fact they pretty much created Quebec, yuck)

[Sainters7]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Any distate of France by US citizens is generally superficial and based on the whole Iraq situation and subsequent "Freedom Fries" hilarity.

I don't think anyone really hates France (one of the bigger Western powers) do they? (Except for the fact they pretty much created Quebec, yuck)

Ya this is more what I was refering to, from a citizen to citizen point of view, not on a presidential/national level or anything. You see U.S. shows/movies ripping on the French all the time. I stayed at a resort in Cabo a couple years back which weirdly enough seemed like it was 99% Californians, and for the ones I talked to, their disdain for the French was obvious (one group made some dumb negative comment about Canadians and our ties with France and it kinda went from there).

[IliketoPuck]

I was at a resort last Nov. and some liquored up Americans were floating around the pool yelling "f###" Canada" repeatedly. I would say half the resort was Canadian, and it almost ended up in a fist fight.