My son is very tall, muscular, and he's very athletic and very popular with his peers and his teachers.
Yes yes your son is the greatest, I've read that in multiple posts in this thread and others.
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I'd be angry with him for slamming a kid less than half his size because I'd be afraid he'd hurt him. He knows better than that. If some wimpy little turd is going to slap him, the appropriate thing to do would be to push him away, punch him back, or restrain him. I would hope that my son would know not to slam him in the concrete. I really doubt he'd ever be in that position in the first place. As I said, the big kid in the media right now didn't know any better. Yes, maybe the bullies should have known better than to pick on such a big kid and yes, maybe the big kid 'showed him.'
Wow. So SK was thrown onto the ground and uninjured, but you think that showed too much force. What do you think would happen if FK had unleashed a full-on punch to SK like you are recommending? I guarantee you SK could have been hurt or disfigured.
And restrain him...then what? Hold onto him until he agrees to be your friend?
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Every kid is different. I guess you'd just have to know me and my kids to understand what I am saying. I asked my husband about it and his initial reaction was the same as everyone's basically 'Good for the big kid!' Then I asked him what he'd do if our oldest son reacted that way to some little twerp and he said 'I'd kill him, he'd kill the poor kid. He knows better'
I am assuming you all know my family and understand where I am coming from, where really, only a few people on these boards know me. My mistake in getting too personal.
Again with your son...are you incapable of empathizing with FK in the video? The issue has never been about your perfect son; it's about FK and the question was posed what would your advice have been if FK was your son. Not if your son was your son.
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If you would read the thread, you will see I DID say
1) The 'big kid' (I NEVER called him 'fat') should have defended himself.
2) Bullying is not okay
No one seems to bother reading what I write, so I'll just stop here.
There seems to be a common denominator in many people's response to your thoughts on this topic, which is you.
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I really hope the best for the bigger kid and I hope he gains some self esteem and starts to participate in sports. Like my husband says, he'd be a hell of a lineman.
Too true. If he joined the basketball team and football team he would be Mr. Popular and that would solve all his problems!
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My son is very tall, muscular, and he's very athletic and very popular with his peers and his teachers.
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I really hope the best for the bigger kid and I hope he gains some self esteem and starts to participate in sports. Like my husband says, he'd be a hell of a lineman.
Some people don't understand what it's like to be not popular. I have a feeling you might be one of those people.
Your point about trying out as a linesman, however, is a great suggestion. It worked well for me. I guess as he's Australian, it would be more rugby than football.
Yes yes your son is the greatest, I've read that in multiple posts in this thread and others.
Wow. So SK was thrown onto the ground and uninjured, but you think that showed too much force. What do you think would happen if FK had unleashed a full-on punch to SK like you are recommending? I guarantee you SK could have been hurt or disfigured.
And restrain him...then what? Hold onto him until he agrees to be your friend?
Again with your son...are you incapable of empathizing with FK in the video? The issue has never been about your perfect son; it's about FK and the question was posed what would your advice have been if FK was your son. Not if your son was your son.
There seems to be a common denominator in many people's response to your thoughts on this topic, which is you. Too true. If he joined the basketball team and football team he would be Mr. Popular and that would solve all his problems!
Your point about trying out as a linesman, however, is a great suggestion. It worked well for me. I guess as he's Australian, it would be more rugby than football.
I think sports and other extra-curricular activities can improve self esteem in some situations. It just really depends on the kid.
I really hope the best for the bigger kid and I hope he gains some self esteem and starts to participate in sports. Like my husband says, he'd be a hell of a lineman.
Maybe...he doesn't *gasp* LIKE sports? There are people like that in this world, you know. Nor are sports some magical solve-all for anti-bullying...
I am beginning to think more and more that as some other folks have posted, that there are folks who just don't "get" not being popular. Or what it's like to be picked on or bullied. And not just once or twice when they got their feelings hurt, but every day, all school year.
Maybe the kid likes computers. Reading. Acting. Video games. Maybe his parents can't afford to kit him out and/or pay the fees associated with kids sports these days (which, I'm told, can get pretty insane). There is a point to school beyond a school's sports teams. Though I do wish more folks would start to realize this.
My son is very tall, muscular, and he's very athletic and very popular with his peers and his teachers.
I'd be angry with him for slamming a kid less than half his size because I'd be afraid he'd hurt him. He knows better than that. If some wimpy little turd is going to slap him, the appropriate thing to do would be to push him away, punch him back, or restrain him. I would hope that my son would know not to slam him in the concrete. I really doubt he'd ever be in that position in the first place. As I said, the big kid in the media right now didn't know any better. Yes, maybe the bullies should have known better than to pick on such a big kid and yes, maybe the big kid 'showed him.'
Every kid is different. I guess you'd just have to know me and my kids to understand what I am saying. I asked my husband about it and his initial reaction was the same as everyone's basically 'Good for the big kid!' Then I asked him what he'd do if our oldest son reacted that way to some little twerp and he said 'I'd kill him, he'd kill the poor kid. He knows better'
I am assuming you all know my family and understand where I am coming from, where really, only a few people on these boards know me. My mistake in getting too personal.
If you would read the thread, you will see I DID say
1) The 'big kid' (I NEVER called him 'fat') should have defended himself.
2) Bullying is not okay
No one seems to bother reading what I write, so I'll just stop here.
I really hope the best for the bigger kid and I hope he gains some self esteem and starts to participate in sports. Like my husband says, he'd be a hell of a lineman.
We're not talking about your son who is 6'4 and full of muscle, I bet that he speaks my language, so I'd better run I'd better take cover.
Its great that your boy is big well adjusted and popular, so he probably fits into the alpha male stereotype.
But we're not talking about your boy or his situation.
We're talking about a overweight kid who doesn't fit in and is getting constantly bullied, and we're not just talking in a verbal way.
I'm willing to bet though that most parents are completely unaware when their kids are getting bullied, we meaning you fleshbags that have had kids, probably see your son or daughter in a different light the reality.
We also don't often see the build up of emotions in kids until it blows through, and in this Casey's space it blew through big time.
In other words, your substituting your boy for Casey when your evaluating the situation and stating that if your perfect, huge athletic boy did the slam jam on that little punk that you'd be upset or angry or punish him, its not a fair comparison because obviously your son is not Casey.
But two things pop to mind for me as this story continues.
One of the kids basically stated that the bullies like video taping bullying and posting it on line, so apparently the little crap probably set up the video taping so he could humiliate this Casey kid globally. So I don't feel any sadness or concern over the slam, I think its great that he was stumbling around and falling over his own feel as the video continued, the little punk now has the "Hows that taste" experience of a lifetime.
The father said that Casey was a target of constant bullying, I think its tough to put into context how they were handling or discussing the boys bullying situation.
Too often or not parents do ignore the obvious until its too late
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We're not talking about your son who is 6'4 and full of muscle, I bet that he speaks my language, so I'd better run I'd better take cover.
Its great that your boy is big well adjusted and popular, so he probably fits into the alpha male stereotype.
But we're not talking about your boy or his situation.
We're talking about a overweight kid who doesn't fit in and is getting constantly bullied, and we're not just talking in a verbal way.
I'm willing to bet though that most parents are completely unaware when their kids are getting bullied, we meaning you fleshbags that have had kids, probably see your son or daughter in a different light the reality.
We also don't often see the build up of emotions in kids until it blows through, and in this Casey's space it blew through big time.
In other words, your substituting your boy for Casey when your evaluating the situation and stating that if your perfect, huge athletic boy did the slam jam on that little punk that you'd be upset or angry or punish him, its not a fair comparison because obviously your son is not Casey.
But two things pop to mind for me as this story continues.
One of the kids basically stated that the bullies like video taping bullying and posting it on line, so apparently the little crap probably set up the video taping so he could humiliate this Casey kid globally. So I don't feel any sadness or concern over the slam, I think its great that he was stumbling around and falling over his own feel as the video continued, the little punk now has the "Hows that taste" experience of a lifetime.
The father said that Casey was a target of constant bullying, I think its tough to put into context how they were handling or discussing the boys bullying situation.
Too often or not parents do ignore the obvious until its too late
You are absolutely right on all counts.
I was asked what I would hope my kid would do if he was Casey. I explained that I would have thought that he would hurt the kid because his size and the twerp's size are relative to my kid and (I was thinking of) his little brother.
I still say the big kid could have hurt the little kid, but I am not blaming him (as I said before). I just think he didn't know how to handle himself.
I understand. I obviously said some things to really irritate several people and I certainly never meant to.
Maybe...he doesn't *gasp* LIKE sports? There are people like that in this world, you know. Nor are sports some magical solve-all for anti-bullying...
I am beginning to think more and more that as some other folks have posted, that there are folks who just don't "get" not being popular. Or what it's like to be picked on or bullied. And not just once or twice when they got their feelings hurt, but every day, all school year.
Maybe the kid likes computers. Reading. Acting. Video games. Maybe his parents can't afford to kit him out and/or pay the fees associated with kids sports these days (which, I'm told, can get pretty insane). There is a point to school beyond a school's sports teams. Though I do wish more folks would start to realize this.
I apologize. The 'he'd be a great lineman' comment was not to say that every kid should play a sport. My younger son isn't interested in sports much. He likes math actually. My husband made the lineman comment because he is a football coach and just saw his body-slam this morning, and thought he'd be able to use those moves on the field. I didn't mean to offend anyone.
I was bullied a lot as a smaller kid and I admit that I smiled when the punk got what was coming to him. But you would definitely need to be blind to not see the near disaster that happened. A good shot to the nose would have sufficed.
We're not talking about your son who is 6'4 and full of muscle, I bet that he speaks my language, so I'd better run I'd better take cover.
Is there any chance he might "smile and give you a vegemite sandwich?"
I really think that a lot of people are overstating the potential for "disaster" with this kid being dropped like he was. You see kids fall out of trees, bounce high off trampolines all the time during Big Chief Bloopers. Lots of things look much worse than they really are and this is definitely one of them.
While I do not personally advocate administering gut-wrench facebusters on top of concrete, is is extremely unlikely that this kid was going to receive the fatal/life-threatening/catastrophic injuries that many here speak of. I'd be much more concerned with someone going down from punches to the head and then receiving a few kicks to the face/head area afterwards. This is far more dangerous and commonplace in the nation's schoolyards.
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I had a pretty nasty streak as a child. I am also one of those people who was fortunate enough to grow up as the scrawny little Asian kid. Unfortunately for those who tried to bully me, I was also one who was quick to stand up for myself.
LOL I still remember this one time in grade 4, we were playing baseball in the diamond field during lunch. With regards to the diamond, the rule was first come first serve. So we grade 4 kids got there first. In the middle of our game, some grade 6 kids who were known bullies in the school came and pushed us out of the field.
So the biggest bully shoves us aside and goes to bat. Well I decide to go to bat as well. He's about twice my size, so I knew I couldn't take him head on. But lo and behold, another bat was laying on the ground! Now, I wasn't a stupid kid, and was aware of the damage a full swing with a bat could do. Instead, I walked up behind the kid, took a light to moderate swing to the back of his knees. He dropped like a bag of bricks and started crying. Funny thing is, the teacher saw him drop, but knew he was gonna be fine. Instead, he got pulled away for a detention, and we got our diamond back.
Then there was the time in winter when a couple kids from the Jr. High across the street came and started hucking snowballs at us while we were building snow forts in the field. Again, being the smallest runt of batch, they saw me coming and started laughing. I leaped on the biggest kid's face and face-washed him until he ran back to the school crying "we're gonna get you!" We never saw them again.
Moral of the story: If you're gonna bully, be aware that sometimes we fight back.
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Sorry Brodie, I didn't mean your kid was fat, I meant that I can't believe that if you were the parent of Casey, that you'd punish him. I think that's what I understood from your argument.
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I don't like how she phrased it though. "Are you going to get your son to aplogize?"
"I would like him to apologize, yes".
My mother would have made me apologize; none of this I'd be disappointed if you didn't crap.
I agree with the above poster that the forced apology would probably be empty.
But I figure that you need to explain to your kid that he needs to do the right thing and make up for being a moron, and if he doesn't then you will have a little less respect for him.
Then I'd gut wrench suplex him through the ceiling.
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My husband made the lineman comment because he is a football coach and just saw his body-slam this morning, and thought he'd be able to use those moves on the field. I didn't mean to offend anyone.
