Ring Road To Nowhere

[4X4]

I've said it before and I'll say it again... I really don't understand why the Tsuu Tina doesn't see this as an awesome opportunity to set up a commercial area in the chunk of land that would be east of the RR. The casino is already there. They could have a whole bunch of things in there that would actually make them some money and give themselves jobs. And us whiteys would flock to it because Westhills is such a sh#tshow. I guess franchise retailers might have "reservations" about opening shop on native land, but FFS, how much longer are natives going to segregate themselves?

The Tsuu Tina has such a sweet piece of real estate, they coul set up commercial centers on all four corners of their land and the interior could be pimped out with estate houses from all the money they'd make. I just don't understand why they don't do this.

[Komskies]

Option 9: Can't we just go in and conquer them and then steal their land like we used to do back in the day?

[teh_reader]

Originally Posted by Komskies

Option 9: Can't we just go in and conquer them and then steal their land like we used to do back in the day?

[teh_reader]

Originally Posted by 4X4

I've said it before and I'll say it again... I really don't understand why the Tsuu Tina doesn't see this as an awesome opportunity to set up a commercial area in the chunk of land that would be east of the RR. The casino is already there. They could have a whole bunch of things in there that would actually make them some money and give themselves jobs. And us whiteys would flock to it because Westhills is such a sh#tshow. I guess franchise retailers might have "reservations" about opening shop on native land, but FFS, how much longer are natives going to segregate themselves?

The Tsuu Tina has such a sweet piece of real estate, they coul set up commercial centers on all four corners of their land and the interior could be pimped out with estate houses from all the money they'd make. I just don't understand why they don't do this.

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They have so many more basic-needs problems that need to be addressed before they could organize themselves to take advantage of such an opportunity... It's really sad.

[4X4]

Originally Posted by teh_reader

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BS. Just because you see drunk indians downtown doesn't mean all of them on the reserve are hammered. And BTW, there are plenty of drunk white bums downtown as well.

[teh_reader]

I am not saying they are all drunk or high, I am saying it is an epidemic on indian reserves across this country and it is a problem then need to take care of before they could venture into the types of organized wealth building that 4x4 proposed.

When 30-50% of your population has s significant dependancy or addiction issue, and a 1% post-secondary graduation rate, you need to address these issues before you're able to full develop the great resources for wealth building some bands, such as the Tsuu T'ina, have.

[Madman]

Originally Posted by teh_reader

I am not saying they are all drunk or high, I am saying it is an epidemic on indian reserves across this country and it is a problem then need to take care of before they could venture into the types of organized wealth building that 4x4 proposed.

When 30-50% of your population has s significant dependancy or addiction issue, and a 1% post-secondary graduation rate, you need to address these issues before you're able to full develop the great resources for wealth building some bands, such as the Tsuu T'ina, have.

They need to get rid of their corrupted greedy Chiefs - you can flow hundreds of millions, (more), into the Tsu Tina and it still wouldn't make it down to the people that need it the most.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Komskies

Option 9: Can't we just go in and conquer them and then steal their land like we used to do back in the day?

I believe that the whole problem stems from the fact that "we" didn't- we signed silly treaties instead.

[CM ONE]

As soon as I heard the words "sacred burial ground" during the negotiations I knew this thing was dead in the water.

If there is one thing the natives will fight for, it's burial grounds. Understandably so. I wouldn't want my dead relatives plowed over for some road.

Just build it on 37st already. Never mind screwing the Natives, screw Lakeview.

[Bownesian]

The only one that makes any sense is Route 4 - South on 37th street, across the reservoir.

It's the cheapest, the safest (furthest from the water intake) and it actually accomplishes what the Ring Road is meant to do. With the cost savings, the portion of the road through Weaselhead could be elevated high enough to reduce the impact to peoples' enjoyment of the park. Anyone who's ever been under the Stony Tr. bridge at the west end of Bowness Park knows that if a highway is high enough, you can barely hear it from the ground.

[Madman]

Why can't they cut the road across the old Army base range at a diagonal from Glenmore/Sarcee to the Weaselhead?

Then it would be a better ring as it would properly connect up to Hwy 8 and Sarcee, but it would also not be 100% on Tsu Tina land and there wouldn't be the worry about the burial grounds, (presuming the burial grounds aren't on the site of the old army base).

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by Yanda

The ring road is hardly on there land at all. The fact that its past the year 2000 and its this hard to figure these things out is assinine.


Honestly why couldnt we annex some land and trade it to them for the land where the road is needed. It wouldnt be hard to push back both the citys boarders and the Native Reserves boarders 1 acre west.

mowing the west of their boundary west would mean that they are taking Bragg Creek.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by Mazrim

If they let me go 160km/h on that option, then it might be viable.

And you'd burn half a tank of gas on 74 km...

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Madman

Why can't they cut the road across the old Army base range at a diagonal from Glenmore/Sarcee to the Weaselhead?

Then it would be a better ring as it would properly connect up to Hwy 8 and Sarcee, but it would also not be 100% on Tsu Tina land and there wouldn't be the worry about the burial grounds, (presuming the burial grounds aren't on the site of the old army base).

The land the Army used was on reserve land that was leased to the federal government. When CFB Calgary was closed, the land was returned to the Tsuu T'ina. Everything southwest of the Glenmore/37th corner is reserve land.

[jar_e]

Originally Posted by 4X4

I've said it before and I'll say it again... I really don't understand why the Tsuu Tina doesn't see this as an awesome opportunity to set up a commercial area in the chunk of land that would be east of the RR. The casino is already there. They could have a whole bunch of things in there that would actually make them some money and give themselves jobs. And us whiteys would flock to it because Westhills is such a sh#tshow. I guess franchise retailers might have "reservations" about opening shop on native land, but FFS, how much longer are natives going to segregate themselves?

The Tsuu Tina has such a sweet piece of real estate, they coul set up commercial centers on all four corners of their land and the interior could be pimped out with estate houses from all the money they'd make. I just don't understand why they don't do this.

TBQH, cause they're greedy and they want more money. The best thing bronco did was stop negotiating with them and he would have been a hero if he shut down access to grey eagle.

[droopydrew19]

I agree. I would barricade the access to the Casino. They want to use taxpayer infrastructure to have their development prosper but wont work with the local government to build something that would benefit thousands of people.

[I_am_Beast]

Here look this up!

Indian Act made in 1881
An amendment to the act in 1911 states : to allow municipalities and companies to expropriate portions of reserves, without surrender, for roads, railways, and other public works

If they don't like it another amendment states : Further amended to allow a judge to move an entire reserve away from a municipality if it was deemed "expedient."

They don't wanna respect their neighbors, maybe they'd have a better chance being moved just south of the Northwest Territories.

It's called the Oliver Act, the same guy that had a hand in creating Banff, but also pushed for edmonton to become the capital, from calgary, cause it was a liberal strong hold.



Problem solved!

[stampsx2]

Originally Posted by CM ONE

As soon as I heard the words "sacred burial ground" during the negotiations I knew this thing was dead in the water.

If there is one thing the natives will fight for, it's burial grounds. Understandably so. I wouldn't want my dead relatives plowed over for some road.

Just build it on 37st already. Never mind screwing the Natives, screw Lakeview.

Isn't there a casino on the "sacred burial grounds"?

I think the Lakeview residents actually affected by the road want it to happen. If the city knocked on anybody's door and said, we will pay a premium price for your home and pay for your move do you think there would be much pushback?


There are about 80 homes along the affected route in Lakeview. 160 if you really need space. Even at a million dollars each, that's not even half of what the reserve wanted.

160 million for Lakeview homes which will go back into the Calgary economy as real estate purchases in the city compared to 500 million for reserve land which we will never see. Some of the Lakeview purchases may even be downtown condo's which is exactly what the city wants.

[Madman]

Originally Posted by getbak

The land the Army used was on reserve land that was leased to the federal government. When CFB Calgary was closed, the land was returned to the Tsuu T'ina. Everything southwest of the Glenmore/37th corner is reserve land.

Yeah, I'm aware of that. I was thinking if the band members had a problem with the amount of land the first deal was using or if the first deal crossed a scared burial ground, (which it apparently did), then only using the old army range land from the Tsuu T'ina might appease them and be some sort of hybrid solution.

[Pinner]

To put the road through Lakeview 500 houses need to be destroyed

And how many more will be depreciated because a freeway now runs through the neighborhood ?

From an outsider's view, those Natives got you guys buy the balls. They'd build a casino on the burial grounds if they needed that particular location.