More police brutality

[OILFAN #81]

The victim should get to punt the cop in the head as well.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by Beerfest

The kick to the face seems status quo? Well then I guess we have some serious problems..

We know he was complying from witnesses said.

I really dont understand why you would attempt to defend this cop.

I don't think that is a good thing...but having watched some drug dealers getting tackled by officers, prior to any formal contact, seems to be part of the process. A kick in the face is not that far off, considering the gun aspect of this case. I don't necessarily think it is a good thing.

[algernon]

I like that the ######ed guy had his trigger lock on.

BTW, why was his medical status freely disclosed? Isn't there a privacy act with regards to medical status.

[Beerfest]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

I don't think that is a good thing...but having watched some drug dealers getting tackled by officers, prior to any formal contact, seems to be part of the process. A kick in the face is not that far off, considering the gun aspect of this case. I don't necessarily think it is a good thing.

Drug dealers have nothing to do with what happened though..
A kick to the face of an innocent man, apparently complying with what the cops were saying should never happen.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by puckluck

You are just unreal.

The police usually make the subject walk backwards to them not the other way around.

Are you a cop now? My post requests the aid of officers to help us distinguish between compliance and non compliance. At what point does a cop intervene in 'helping' someone get on all fours to be cuffed? I can't tell from that video what took place, but considering a gun was involved that cop thought something was up. I don't know the protocol for what is reasonable force in this circumstance. A kick in the face seems IMO harsh.

You also may have nailed it, on my behalf. The cops may have asked him to walk backwards, when he didn't, the officer intervened. I have no idea, as I already said.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by Beerfest

Drug dealers have nothing to do with what happened though..
A kick to the face of an innocent man, apparently complying with what the cops were saying should never happen.

They have lots to do with what happened. The procedure sets the precedence of what a cop thinks is reasonable behavior. Like I said, the police were tackling street drug dealers who had no clue cops were there.

Is this guy innocent? He did have the cops called on him for firing a gun. I think the cops have to still arrest the suspect. I don't know if a kick to the face is a good thing. If they guy was complying, then it is bad. But what if he was not complying?

[Buzzard]

There is no justifying the actions of that cop. None.

There are instances in the past where physical force was needed. Bad guys sometimes get injured from cops. Sometimes its justified.

In this case the cop is clearly committing a crime. The video is as clear as being there.

[drewboy12]

I agree the kick to the face was way way to excessive. But they were dealing with an armed person. There are other ways to arrest a person though. I hope this cop losses his badge.

[To Be Quite Honest]

The Cop assaulted this man under colour of authority. He should be fired. He should be sued. His is responsible for his actions.

Every cop should be taught colour of law/colour of authority. If they are and he just ignored his true duty as a peace service then he should be in jail.

Police have more responsibility not more authority.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Unfortunately, this kind of thing happens all too often.....

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by Buzzard

There is no justifying the actions of that cop. None.

There are instances in the past where physical force was needed. Bad guys sometimes get injured from cops. Sometimes its justified.

In this case the cop is clearly committing a crime. The video is as clear as being there.

I really can't make out what is going on, the guy appears to be on his knees and his arms are out in front on the ground, and he is kicked in the face. It appears to me that he is accepting the arrest, nothing more. I can only say that I first assume the officer is doing what they are supposed to do, which means (to me) there is more to it than what the video shows. I could easily be wrong though, and agree with everyone that the guy who made the kick should be in some sort of trouble, but what about his partners? Do they sit back while he behaves this way with other suspects?

[Buzzard]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

I really can't make out what is going on, the guy appears to be on his knees and his arms are out in front on the ground, and he is kicked in the face. It appears to me that he is accepting the arrest, nothing more. I can only say that I first assume the officer is doing what they are supposed to do, which means (to me) there is more to it than what the video shows. I could easily be wrong though, and agree with everyone that the guy who made the kick should be in some sort of trouble, but what about his partners? Do they sit back while he behaves this way with other suspects?

Good question about the partners. I don't know what you could really ask of them, as the damage was done pretty quickly. Hopefully they at least reamed his ass back in the car.

[bc-chris]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

who the hell owns a police scanner? Are you affiliated with one of the "clubs" out there?

Not affiliated with any clubs –it’s just interesting to listen in. you hear all sorts of crazy things

Originally Posted by Table 5

Yeah, that's great and all, but this guy was doing everything they asked him to. He didn't make any moves for a weapon, and didn't seem to show any sign of resistance. A lot of times I can understand why cops go over the edge.... but this one has absolutely no justification.

Originally Posted by valo403

You're joking right? What about any of that little story you painted justifies kicking a guy down on all fours in the face? I look forward to your explanation.

Originally Posted by theonlywhiteout

sorry bc-chris but your post is totally irrelevant in this case. The "suspect" had surrendered to the police and was on his hands and knees. Really no need for the cop to give him a punt to the face. It's actually kind of sad to see someone try and defend the cop.

Guys – like I mentioned in my first post – I’m not a cop. I have no idea how an officer is supposed to handle a situation where they have confirmed shots fired. I’m almost positive that when they ran the plate of the vehicle to find out a history of the owner that it came back with 2 firearms registered to the guy, even if it didn’t, could a second firearm be concealed on him? Who knows? The police have to consider the worst case scenario ever time they go in to a situation like this.

Like Nage Waza posted – it would be nice to hear from a police officer as to what is a proper response to this kind of situation – also – what are the questions/concerns that are flying thru a cops head as they are dealing with an armed suspect.

[Jimmy Stang]

Originally Posted by drewboy12

I agree the kick to the face was way way to excessive. But they were dealing with an armed person. There are other ways to arrest a person though. I hope this cop losses his badge.

Perhaps we're splitting hairs, and I know what you're saying, but he's not armed when the gun is well out of reach in the truck and he's on all fours on the pavement - unarmed.

If he makes a move for the gun, he's a dead man. But that's just common sense.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Stang

Perhaps we're splitting hairs, and I know what you're saying, but he's not armed when the gun is well out of reach in the truck and he's on all fours on the pavement - unarmed.

If he makes a move for the gun, he's a dead man. But that's just common sense.

Common sense would be that the police assume there is a gun on him and that threat exists until they properly search him.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

Common sense would be that the police assume there is a gun on him and that threat exists until they properly search him.

Where does he demonstrate that he poses a threat? Is it the being on all fours with all of his limbs in view and no attempt to reach for anything? Is that a threat now?

[Coys1882]

Originally Posted by Buzzard

There is no justifying the actions of that cop. None.

I know what you're saying but you can't say that based on this video, with sketchy audio or history of the guy they are arresting.

• Maybe this guy is well known to police?

• Maybe the brain damage he's suffered has made him prone to violence?

• Maybe the arrest was after a lengthy pursuit?

It looks harsh but as always maybe judgement should be reserved until all the facts come out?

[RougeUnderoos]

I swear, we could have hi-def video of a uniformed cop tazering a catatonic centenarian in a wheelchair and someone would chime in with "well, it doesn't look great, but we don't know all the facts here. How does the cop know that is really oxygen in that tank. They have to prepare for the worst".

It's ridiculous. He kicked the prone man in the face for crying out loud. Do you really need a professional opinion to tell you that this was excessive?

Quick, someone trot out a cliche they heard on NYPD Blue.

[Coys1882]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

It's ridiculous. He kicked the prone man in the face for crying out loud. Do you really need a professional opinion to tell you that this was excessive?

Sometimes son people do bad things and they deserve a kick in the face. Maybe this isn't one of those times but it might be - I like to wait before I light my torch and raise my pitchfork

[puckluck]

Originally Posted by bc-chris

Guys – like I mentioned in my first post – I’m not a cop. I have no idea how an officer is supposed to handle a situation where they have confirmed shots fired. I’m almost positive that when they ran the plate of the vehicle to find out a history of the owner that it came back with 2 firearms registered to the guy, even if it didn’t, could a second firearm be concealed on him? Who knows? The police have to consider the worst case scenario ever time they go in to a situation like this.

Like Nage Waza posted – it would be nice to hear from a police officer as to what is a proper response to this kind of situation – also – what are the questions/concerns that are flying thru a cops head as they are dealing with an armed suspect.

Call the police nearest to you and ask them. Do you have to be a police officer to know a situation was handled badly? Clear as day in the video the officer made a mistake and if he gets cleared of any wrongdoing I will eat my pubes in a pube sandwhich.

Guy is on all fours with a loaded weapon pointed at him, but the cop feels he is threatened so he kicks the guy in the face causing his arms and hands to be closer to his body and possibly a weapon?

I'm no expert, but I think the best possible scenario for the officer would be if the subject's hands were palm down on the pavement.

Cop made several mistakes and I'm going to say it whether an officer chimes in this thread or not.