Congresswoman and 17 others shot in Arizona

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Yah maybe but, his classmate said left wing and liberal. People don't usually confuse libertarian thinking people with left wingers.

LOL. If it's posted on Twitter, it must be true.

Loughner was also apparently an Ayn Rand fan.

The Wizard Of Oz was also a favorite book. That don't make him a Tin Man.

Clearly he was a disturbed individual.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

From the information presented so far it appears that he is a loon for sure and probably liberal.

Loon for sure, but from what I've seen he's a borderline libertarian teahadist.

[Cowperson]

http://mobile.nytimes.com/article?a=726255&f=19

As per the link above, the killer looks like he more resembles John Lennon's nutty killer than one of pure political motivation.

[stamphater]

Disturbed person. Thank god those two people were able to tackle him because he had ammo left in his gun.

As for Palin, she deserves all the crap she gets for being so careless with her speech and her little crosshair map. Whether it had anything to do with it is immaterial. That crap needs to leave politics. The sheriff Clarence Putnik gave a great little rant about how TV and radio personalities are being completely irresponsible in the name of ratings and pushing a very scary agenda that most of their audience take far too literally.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Flame Of Liberty

Did you just put the gold standard in the same sentence with Mein Kampf and doomsday prophecies?

I did! I did!

A whole bunch of other stuff was in that sentence too, but I don't see people who use sign language or obsessively listen to "Light My Fire" getting all up in arms about it.

[stamphater]

Originally Posted by Cowperson

http://mobile.nytimes.com/article?a=726255&f=19

As per the link above, the killer looks like he more resembles John Lennon's nutty killer than one of pure political motivation.

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Lennon's killer did it strictly for the fame. This guy definitely had political motivation behind what he did...

[PIMking]

God I made it through 4 pages of "american nuts" "right wing nut" crap. Can you just think the dude was a f'n nutcase and just killed innocent people? I'm a Republican and I dislike half of what is going on. I have guns, I however don't dream about killing people with them. Good lord man, just give your head a big shake if you think the act like this from ONE nutcase puts all of us Conservative Americans in one basket.

God bless the Congresswoman and the rest of the people harmed in this. I will pray for you.

NO ONE DESERVES TO LOSE THEIR LIVES OVER THIS! I am starting to hate Politics.

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by Stimpy

What indications are there he was a liberal? Law enforcement in the state seems to think otherwise, and law enforcement is extremely conservative. They are also looking for a second party, so it doesn't look like the shooter acted alone.

The testimony of the classmate and what he claims to be his 2 favourite books all suggest that he is far left politically.

What evidence has Law enforcement put forth to suggest otherwise?

[Stimpy]

"If I define terrorist then a terrorist is a person who employs terror or terrorism, especially as a political weapon. I define terrorist," he wrote. "This, a terrorist is a person who employs terror or terrorism, especially as a political weapon. If you call me a terrorist then the argument to call me a terrorist is Ad hominem. You call me a terrorist."

Seems he had a good idea what he was doing.

[Stumptown]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Yah maybe but, his classmate said left wing and liberal. People don't usually confuse libertarian thinking people with left wingers.

Yes, they do. For instance, both are generally in favor the legalization of drugs, and strong protection of civil liberties. There are a lot of overlaps.



That bottom border between the left-ism and individualism is easily to miss if you're not talking about economic policy. The school friend that's quoted as saying that he was "left-leaning" and "liberal" only knew him during the last administration. Anyone critical of the Bush government (with the interventionist wars and their crushing of our civil liberties) would have been seen as "left-leaning" at the time, because that's what everyone would have been talking about at the time. But in reality those same criticism could be heard just as vocally from libertarians, Ron Paul in particular.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

The testimony of the classmate and what he claims to be his 2 favourite books all suggest that he is far left politically.

Wait...... Mein Kampf is a leftist book?

You do realize Adolf Hitler sent communists to concentration camps?

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by Stumptown

Yes, they do. For instance, both are generally in favor the legalization of drugs, and strong protection of civil liberties. There are a lot of overlaps.



That bottom border between the left-ism and individualism is easily to miss if you're not talking about economic policy. The school friend that's quoted as saying that he was "left-leaning" and "liberal" only knew him during the last administration. Anyone critical of the Bush government (with the interventionist wars and their crushing of our civil liberties) would have been seen as "left-leaning" at the time, because that's what everyone would have been talking about at the time. But in reality those same criticism could be heard just as vocally from libertarians, Ron Paul in particular.

Maybe, but his favourite books include The Communist Manifesto and Mein Kampf . I'd be suprised if he is libertarian.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Wait...... Mein Kampf is a leftist book?

You do realize Adolf Hitler sent communists to concentration camps?

Exactly what I was going to post.

[Cowperson]

Originally Posted by stamphater

?

Lennon's killer did it strictly for the fame. This guy definitely had political motivation behind what he did...

Actually, it's becoming increasingly obvious he was an incoherent wackadoodle with motives no ordinary person can relate to or even explain.

And for all we know.in these early moments, he might well be.motivated by something as simple as fame.

We'll see.

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Wait...... Mein Kampf is a leftist book?

You do realize Adolf Hitler sent communists to concentration camps?

Adolf Hitler was all about bigger government and absolute control over the people. He had more in common with socialists than capitalists. I really don't know why you would associate Hitler with a free capitalistic society.

[stamphater]

Originally Posted by Cowperson

Actually, it's becoming increasingly obvious he was an incoherent wackadoodle with motives no ordinary person can relate to or even explain.

And for all we know.in these early moments, he might well be.motivated by something as simple as fame.

We'll see.

The guys favourite books are all essentially communism related stuff. The guys videos are seem to be manifestos. I'm not saying this was a Dem vs. Rep. thing or even left vs. right. But I think it's safe to say there is political motivation behind it.

[stamphater]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Adolf Hitler was all about bigger government and absolute control over the people. He had more in common with socialists than capitalists. I really don't know why you would associate Hitler with a free capitalistic society.

If you think communism and socialism are the same...you are way off. Hitler wanted complete control and he could have achieved that through any means...whether it be communism, capitalism or communism.

The Republicans for a number of years basically did whatever the hell they wanted no matter what anyone thought. No different then what happened with Hitler other than the gruesome details.

[Stimpy]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

The testimony of the classmate and what he claims to be his 2 favourite books all suggest that he is far left politically.

If its on twitter its gotta be true.

I'm not sure if you noticed, but Mein Kampf and We the Living were on that list. Hitler and Rand were not liberal in any shape or form. He also listed two Lewis Carroll books, who was a well known conservative and Christian. Those were tempered with classical works and those by apoliticals, humanists and socialists who focused on dystopian futures.

What evidence has Law enforcement put forth to suggest otherwise?

They have not presented evidence at this time. Anything they find will be held back until his trial. Sheriff Dupnik didn't mince words on the political tenor and clearly pointed a finger at a certain segment of the population and media. That was quite a bit of information to released at that point in the investigation and clearly tipped his hand.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

I really don't know why you would associate Hitler with a free capitalistic society.

Um... because I'm not?

Do you understand what fascism is?

[Stimpy]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Adolf Hitler was all about bigger government and absolute control over the people. He had more in common with socialists than capitalists. I really don't know why you would associate Hitler with a free capitalistic society.

Bull! The Nazis were very cooperative with corporate interests. Many an American company made big money off the Nazis. IBM made a killing selling the Nazis the equipment and systems that were used to catalog and manage the concentration camps.

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Um... because I'm not?

Do you understand what fascism is?

No, he doesn't.