2010 NFL Regular Season Thread

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by Pagal4321

You are making the huge assumption that what a team does in the walkthrough is exactly what they would do in a game situation. I don't think any team has their first 15 plays of a game SET the day before.

I am not making any assumption. I am basing it based on what an NFL head coach said. I defer to them over you. Sorry. I haven't been looking hard, but I will find it. Also remember the Patriots only won that Super Bowl 20-17. He might have meant you can pretty much tell what they are going to run the first 15 plays by their walkthrough and then after that they realize they need to change their gameplan.

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by Pagal4321

You are making the huge assumption that what a team does in the walkthrough is exactly what they would do in a game situation. I don't think any team has their first 15 plays of a game SET the day before.

I think most coaches script plays. Bill Walsh started this. Here is part of an article from 2002:

"You know what's going to be called and there's no reason to make a mistake," veteran tight end Shannon Sharpe said of the system in Denver, where coach Mike Shanahan scripts the first 15 offensive plays every week. "You already know if (the defense does) this, who we're going to. So that makes your job a lot easier."

Just about every team in the NFL now uses some form of scripting. Walsh used to do 25 plays, but most teams now script about 15 plays.

There are, of course, some misconceptions about scripting. While there might be a long script of plays, they are not called blindly in order.

"Would you run 25 in order? No," Walsh said. "Let's say, of the 25, you'd run 18 or 19 sort of in order. If something really worked or you saw something in the defense, you'd go back to (a play). To me, it was just sort of a safety net because there's so much emotion to start the game, you want to think clearly, and this, in a sense, forces you to stay with a regimen that you clinically planned prior to the game."

"The scripting saved us because I couldn't think," he said. "It was minus-35 wind chill, and there was no way I could look at a game plan or pull something out of my head. All I wanted to do was run for cover, go in where it was warm, for survival. So in that case, the plan was what saved us."

(the article came from an aggregator that says the story comes from, "Excerpts from NFL Insider/NFL.com article from 2002 by Ira Miller.") http://www.squidoo.com/billwalsh

[Bobblehead]

And for the record, I think 7-9 will win the NFC West.

I still think that deserves a playoff spot, but I don't think it deserves a home playoff game.

[burn_baby_burn]

The Bill Walsh coaching tree, which is a branch of the Paul Brown coaching tree, is a big one. Mike Holmgren scripted plays as well. I'm sure most of the coaches who are from that school of thinking will script plays.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

And for the record, I think 7-9 will win the NFC West.

I still think that deserves a playoff spot, but I don't think it deserves a home playoff game.

But they want divisional winners to get a home game. That's the carrot that makes divisional play more fierce.

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

But they want divisional winners to get a home game. That's the carrot that makes divisional play more fierce.

Just making the playoffs should be enough reward. They split the gate anyways.

[burn_baby_burn]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

Just making the playoffs should be enough reward. They split the gate anyways.

70/ 30. Or is it 50/ 50 in the playoffs?

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Sowa

Where did I say what he did was ok? I said he should be fired, but you of course ignore that. I guess I shouldn't expect more from a guy who called everyone from Texas stupid and no I am not from Texas (although I do live here). I've torn my ACL as well. Alosi being in the position he was in it's pretty easy to aim where his knee was hitting. If he had hit him in the knee and ended his career I am sure a successful lawsuit would have followed. My argument isn't that what Alosi did was ok, it wasn't. It was that Spygate was more detrimental to the integrity of the game. It was. Everyone is arguing the wrong thing with me. It seems you are the expert of picking up little things on a post and ignoring the actual point of said post.

No it wasnt....regardless of the claim.

In one instance the players (with or without prior knowledge) decided the outcome of each play.

In the Alosi incident, he actually affected a play without being part of it, as well as putting a players health in jeopardy. This isnt even the same dimension as far as comparable.

Now we find out he was the one that summoned the wall of coaches to begin with after denying that....lied about it...and looks like it was premeditated because he did.

facts...all of them.

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by transplant99

No it wasnt....regardless of the claim.

In one instance the players (with or without prior knowledge) decided the outcome of each play.

In the Alosi incident, he actually affected a play without being part of it, as well as putting a players health in jeopardy. This isnt even the same dimension as far as comparable.

Now we find out he was the one that summoned the wall of coaches to begin with after denying that....lied about it...and looks like it was premeditated because he did.

facts...all of them.

So the league disagrees with you. The Jets will not lose a first round pick. Rex Ryan will not be fined $500k the maximum allowable (Belichek was). He won't even be fined what McD was fined a couple months ago. Alosi's interference determined the outcome of one play... Best case scenario Carroll gets a fumble and returns it for a TD same outcome at the end of the game except the Fins win by more. Hoodie's cheating affected numerous games and even the Super Bowl.

Alosi should be fired. What he did was abhorable as he could have injured the player. I would say what he did was worse than spygate in a moral context. But, as it relates to the integrity of the NFL it's not even close. If the Rams had won that Super Bowl a lot of people's careers would have turned out differently ie Mike Martz would have lasted as a head coach much longer. I am not saying that they would have won, but hoodie potentially cost Martz and some players millions of dollars.

[Flames in 07]

The Jets and Alosi are a joke. The Jets were a joke the day Rex joined. If the NFL is a city then the Jets are the sewage treatment plant. It would not surprise me at all if others including Rex knew about their little event, but who knows.

If someone wants to say that the trip is 'dirtier' then sure, it's malicious and definately is something to ban someone from the league for. But to say that it a larger form of cheating is just asinine. Forget that spygate included a superbowl which may be a small datapoint to some, but is dozens of times more important than a regular season game. But watching walk throughs and picking out signals gives you a massive advantage. I don't know how that can be compared to a human wall that MIGHT take out a gunner on a single play. For a couple years it looked as though the Pats knew exactly what was coming at them (** turns out they did. I bet if someone ever did the Rsquared on NE calling PA and going deep when there was a safty blitz, and compared that to the rest of the league they'd find a massive difference) and that's no bid deal compared to a single trip? Please.

[valo403]

I think we're comparing two completely different things here, one is a single act that endanger players safety and was really just downright about as dirty as it gets. It's the equivalent of a guy leaning out from the bench and catching someone with an elbow. The other is a much more high level and abstract form of cheating, and it lacks the potential injury aspect. They're both dirty tactics, but in very different ways. What makes the Jets situation extra bad is that it's a collection of antics from that team that fall in line with this kind of behavior.

I can swallow the spygate thing more easily simply due to the lack of immediate injury potential, that's a big deal for me. The biggest reason I don't look at the Pats the way I look at the Jets is that the players carry themselves like professionals, while the Jets carry themselves like the proud thugs that they are. Belichek is sleazy, but he's at least quiet about it. He's like that guy down the street who cheats on his taxes. Rex Ryan on the other hand is like that guy down the street who runs the meth lab and has a firebird up on blocks out front, scummy and proud to be scummy. Maybe it just comes down to the better PR department. I guess if my team lost a Super Bowl in part due to taping I'd feel differently, but as a Dolphins fan Super Bowl is a foreign word to me.

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by burn_baby_burn

70/ 30. Or is it 50/ 50 in the playoffs?

I don't think it changes in the playoffs, and it is a but of a formula. Up front it is 60-40, but the home team deducts percentages for things like stadium rentals.

While the NFL's gate-sharing rule of a 60%-40% split is convenient to remember and seemingly more equitable than baseball's rules, the plan was less generous than its reputation. First, according to the NFL constitution, home teams deducted 15% of the gate receipts to cover stadium rental and other costs, whether or not the home team incurred such expenses. The home team then sent 2% of the remaining 85% of the gate receipts (1.7% of the original receipts) to the league. Finally, the home team paid 40% of the remaining 83.3% of the gate receipts to the visiting team (U.S. Congress 1957, p. 2580ai; NFL Constitutions, various years). In effect, then, the home team paid a minimum of 33.2% of gate receipts to the visiting team.

http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0...-two-gate.html





And Tavaris Jackson has been put on IR by the Vikings. That really sucks for him. I guess we will find out if Joe Webb is the QB of the future. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...n-heads-to-ir/

[mykalberta]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

Just making the playoffs should be enough reward. They split the gate anyways.

Really, is that just in Football? I figured the home game revenue was the reward to the ownership. I never knew they shared gate reciepts. I knew everything else was split but this is interesting.

[Lil Pedro]

Big game tonight for the Chargers. A win coupled with a KC loss means this division race will be tied. Need a strong game from Rivers and the running game. Helps that the 49ers don't have Gore in tonight but they still have weapons in Westbook, Crabtree and Davis.
Go Bolts!

[Lil Pedro]

Huge win. Now just need St. Louis to win the Battle of Missouri this Sunday. We scratched your back St. Louis, now scratch ours

[transplant99]

Philip Rivers is simply unreal. No Floyd, no Gates, no problem. Just go for 250+ and 3 td's anyways.

If the Chargers win that division....they could be scary in the playoffs because that defense is really really stout right now (given up 250 yards in the last 2 games combined) and getting some injured guys back will only strengthen them moving foward...as long as they have the special teams debacle now figured out for good, I like this team to do well the rest of the way. That last loss to the Raiders though is a really weird one...so maybe they arent the juggernaut they look to be.

Its getting very clear that the GB Packers wont have Aaron Rodgers under center against the Patriots Sunday night in a game that will have their season on the line. If the Bears win and the Packers lose, the division is decided...leaving the Pack to have to finish ahead of either the Giants or the Eagles and the Bucs. Not happening in any likely scenario. (though they have the head to head against the Eagles already and still have to play the Giants leaving a small chance should either of them stumble the rest of the way) A season full of high expectations crushed by a decades worth of injuries. Sigh.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Philip Rivers is simply unreal. No Floyd, no Gates, no problem. Just go for 250+ and 3 td's anyways.

If the Chargers win that division....they could be scary in the playoffs because that defense is really really stout right now (given up 250 yards in the last 2 games combined) and getting some injured guys back will only strengthen them moving foward...as long as they have the special teams debacle now figured out for good, I like this team to do well the rest of the way. That last loss to the Raiders though is a really weird one...so maybe they arent the juggernaut they look to be.

Its getting very clear that the GB Packers wont have Aaron Rodgers under center against the Patriots Sunday night in a game that will have their season on the line. If the Bears win and the Packers lose, the division is decided...leaving the Pack to have to finish ahead of either the Giants or the Eagles and the Bucs. Not happening in any likely scenario. (though they have the head to head against the Eagles already and still have to play the Giants leaving a small chance should either of them stumble the rest of the way) A season full of high expectations crushed by a decades worth of injuries. Sigh.

Yeah, I'm not a huge Packers fan but it's really disappointing to see a team that had such high expecatations (Super Bowl contender) get absolutely thrashed with injuries.

I guess my question would be, as a fan, you're obviously disappointed, but can you really be "angry" at the team for missing the playoffs or is it just one of those things?

[Clever_Iggy]

Not a huge Rick Reilly fan, but I had a good chuckle at his article this week.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=5926379

McDaniels took less than two years to turn a once great franchise into an empty husk.


McEgo and his sawed-off hoodie came in here and (A) hired a cheater; (B) drove off our talented players (Jay Cutler, Brandon Marshall, Peyton Hillis); (C) acquired talentless players -- Brady Quinn (zero snaps this season), Alphonso Smith (traded for next to nothing) and Perrish Cox (recently charged on two counts of sexual assault); (D) got tsunamied by our most hated rivals, the Oakland Raiders, 59-14; (E) went 5-17 over his last 22 games; and (F) refused to give a sniff to the previously mentioned two-time national collegiate champion quarterback, Tebow. He was mercifully fired.

After listening to the sell job by its fans the past 16 months on McDaniel's moves being good and positive (reminds me of something...), it's nice to have the Broncos taken down a few pegs... which they may stay for a couple seasons... especially as a Raiders fan.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

Yeah, I'm not a huge Packers fan but it's really disappointing to see a team that had such high expecatations (Super Bowl contender) get absolutely thrashed with injuries.

I guess my question would be, as a fan, you're obviously disappointed, but can you really be "angry" at the team for missing the playoffs or is it just one of those things?

Bit of both for me actually. they absolutely gassed 2 games early in the year aginst the Dolphins and the Redskins..which had they won they would be comfortably heading into the playoffs. That being said, even if the were heading to the post season...they really are so thin everywhere, that im not sure they would have had a chance anyhow....also the guts they have shown through the season without really really key personel is something I actually take pride in as a fan. So i guess its more just "one of those years" rather than anything else.

[transplant99]

ESPN just reported that Grossman will start ahead of McNabb this Sunday against the Cowboys.

Shanahan has lost his friggin mind me thinks.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5929516