2010 NFL Regular Season Thread

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Sowa

It's funny that you view blatant cheating that gave an unfair advantage in a Super bowl as pretty sleazy, but tripping up a player on a punt as worse. I am glad the league disagrees with you there. With Spygate who knows how many games, seasons, etc... that effected. I think Belichek is an amazing coach who shouldn't of had to resort to cheating and would have won anyways, but that's one of the worst cases of cheating in recent NFL history if not the worst.

I think Sal Alosi should've been fired, unless he was ordered to stand there by the coaching staff. If he was then I understand only suspending him for the rest of the season. Zach Thomas seems to think that the wall was intentionally there and it is a form of cheating. Steve Tasker, probably the best gunner ever, said he doesn't think it's cheating and thinks a team is stupid not to do it. He used to get tripped up all the time because he would run out of bounds to get around the block.

One involves an attempt to injure, one doesn't. That's where I draw my line.

[burn_baby_burn]

So Sal Alosi gets a $25,000 fine. Interesting that the NFL would financially cripple a coach who is probably one of the lowest paid guys on the team. If Goodell thinks that is fair, maybe he should increase some of his fines to players to $1 or $2 million. (I know the NFLPA wont allow it).

[Bobblehead]

Cowboys Stadium is an amazing place to watch a football game. A friend won a trip to Dallas so I got to tag along. It is as awesome a place for football as you can imagine.

The seats were way up in the nosebleeds, and up there that huge screen isn't a nice-to-have, it is a necessity.

I was actually a bit surprised by the number of Eagles fans there. The section I was in (402) it was probably 25% Iggles fans. That made for an interesting dynamic.

[Pagal4321]

Originally Posted by burn_baby_burn

So Sal Alosi gets a $25,000 fine. Interesting that the NFL would financially cripple a coach who is probably one of the lowest paid guys on the team. If Goodell thinks that is fair, maybe he should increase some of his fines to players to $1 or $2 million. (I know the NFLPA wont allow it).

The $25,000 fine came from the team and not the league, unless I read the article incorrectly.

[SteveToms]

Originally Posted by Pagal4321

The $25,000 fine came from the team and not the league, unless I read the article incorrectly.

Yeah, you read it right.

an "irresponsible" act (Alosi's word) that resulted in him being suspended without pay for the rest of the season and fined $25,000 by the Jets.

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/n...ory?id=5919573

[burn_baby_burn]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

Cowboys Stadium is an amazing place to watch a football game. A friend won a trip to Dallas so I got to tag along. It is as awesome a place for football as you can imagine.

The seats were way up in the nosebleeds, and up there that huge screen isn't a nice-to-have, it is a necessity.

I was actually a bit surprised by the number of Eagles fans there. The section I was in (402) it was probably 25% Iggles fans. That made for an interesting dynamic.

It does like a cool place to watch a football game. Weren't you going to catch a game in SF as well this season?

[burn_baby_burn]

Originally Posted by SteveToms

Yeah, you read it right.



http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/n...ory?id=5919573

My mistake. I got the info from Yahoo!'s main page.

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by burn_baby_burn

It does like a cool place to watch a football game. Weren't you going to catch a game in SF as well this season?

I did, I saw the 49ers beat the Rams in OT.

Then at MNF a week ago they had the draw for the season long promotion - buy a Bud, get a ballot - and my buddy won. So Saturday was a flight, Sunday the game, Monday return.

Getting out of Cowboys Stadium after the game is insane traffic.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Best cheater as well. I respect that he's a good coach but he's one of those guys that will break the rules to gain an advantage.

Peter King - Spygate was not that important:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...mqb/index.html

Three years ago, when the Patriots exterminated the rest of the league, they did so under the shadow of Spygate, when they were sanctioned by commissioner Roger Goodell after the first game of the season for secretly videotaping teams' defensive signals to try to gain an advantage. I figure now is a good time to look back at history and judge just how much an advantage the Patriots got from Spygate, because now we have the perspective given us by recent history.

Before I go on, understand I'm not attempting to minimize what the Patriots did wrong. Roger Goodell was right to take away a first-round pick and whack the Pats $750,000 for the misdeed.

New England's gone from winning two-thirds of its games with the benefit of taping illegally, to winning three-quarters of its games and scoring six points more per game without taping -- and with so many new pieces on offense.

It all just proves to me that Belichick used to be and still is the smartest guy in the room ... and how unimportant to everything on the field the videotaping seems to have been.

[Sainters7]

^^^
Great points for sure, but it should be noted King is from Massachusetts and a big Patriots fan, and he's not shy to mention it. I always take it with a grain of salt when a national sports media personality reports on their own team.

It's weird, because I've read his articles for years without even knowing who he pulled for. But in the last year or two he's become quite vocal about his love for his Boston teams, its kind of annoying.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Sowa

It's funny that you view blatant cheating that gave an unfair advantage in a Super bowl as pretty sleazy, but tripping up a player on a punt as worse. I am glad the league disagrees with you there. With Spygate who knows how many games, seasons, etc... that effected. I think Belichek is an amazing coach who shouldn't of had to resort to cheating and would have won anyways, but that's one of the worst cases of cheating in recent NFL history if not the worst.

I think Sal Alosi should've been fired, unless he was ordered to stand there by the coaching staff. If he was then I understand only suspending him for the rest of the season. Zach Thomas seems to think that the wall was intentionally there and it is a form of cheating. Steve Tasker, probably the best gunner ever, said he doesn't think it's cheating and thinks a team is stupid not to do it. He used to get tripped up all the time because he would run out of bounds to get around the block.

You are joking...right?

A guy that has nothing to do with the game and getting directly involved couldnt be any worse than it is.

A coach/team viewing videos has NOTHING anywhere near the effect like a meatball sticking his knee out does. That Dolphin player is lucky to be walking upright today....whatever the Pats did before harmed NO ONE in that way.

Get a grip.

[Jesse834]

Metrodome won't be ready for MNF game will be moved to TCF Bank Stadium.http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5919792

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by transplant99

You are joking...right?

A guy that has nothing to do with the game and getting directly involved couldnt be any worse than it is.

A coach/team viewing videos has NOTHING anywhere near the effect like a meatball sticking his knee out does. That Dolphin player is lucky to be walking upright today....whatever the Pats did before harmed NO ONE in that way.

Get a grip.

They videotaped the Panther walkthrough before the Super Bowl. They pretty much knew all the Panthers plays for the first quarter. That is huge...

I think you need to get a grip. The Dolphins player got a charlie horse. Have you ever been tripped? if I was running full speed the likelihood of injury from someone tripping me on grass or turf is not very great. It's happened to me all the time in soccer.

Was the potential for injury there? Yes that's why I said he should get fired. Did it have an effect on the games as greatly as Spygate? No. To think otherwise is foolish. The league also disagrees with you as I don't think the Jets will be losing their first rounder this year.

[Pagal4321]

Originally Posted by Sowa

They videotaped the Panther walkthrough before the Super Bowl. They pretty much knew all the Panthers plays for the first quarter. That is huge...

I think you need to get a grip. The Dolphins player got a charlie horse. Have you ever been tripped? if I was running full speed the likelihood of injury from someone tripping me on grass or turf is not very great. It's happened to me all the time in soccer.

Was the potential for injury there? Yes that's why I said he should get fired. Did it have an effect on the games as greatly as Spygate? No. To think otherwise is foolish. The league also disagrees with you as I don't think the Jets will be losing their first rounder this year.

Please note, I'm not condoning what the Patriots did. But I'm fairly certain you don't learn EVERY PLAY the team will run in the walk-through.

These two scenarios are comparing apples and oranges. But as a Jets fan that hates the Patriots, you are really let your biased get the best of you here.

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by Pagal4321

Please note, I'm not condoning what the Patriots did. But I'm fairly certain you don't learn EVERY PLAY the team will run in the walk-through.

These two scenarios are comparing apples and oranges. But as a Jets fan that hates the Patriots, you are really let your biased get the best of you here.

You don't learn every play, but (and I am looking for the article) there's an interview with a coach where he said if he had a tape of a walkthrough he could figure out the first 15 plays an opponent would run. If you know what they are running there's a good chance that they will go 3 and out, thus 5 possessions is pretty much the first quarter (obviously if you go 3 and out a couple times you probably change the gameplan, but you have severely altered the game and it was against the Rams not the Panthers).

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Sowa

They videotaped the Panther walkthrough before the Super Bowl. They pretty much knew all the Panthers plays for the first quarter. That is huge...

I think you need to get a grip. The Dolphins player got a charlie horse. Have you ever been tripped? if I was running full speed the likelihood of injury from someone tripping me on grass or turf is not very great. It's happened to me all the time in soccer.

Was the potential for injury there? Yes that's why I said he should get fired. Did it have an effect on the games as greatly as Spygate? No. To think otherwise is foolish. The league also disagrees with you as I don't think the Jets will be losing their first rounder this year.

Interesteing, as someone who has heard the sound of their ACL popping on the football field I'm going to disagree completely. Mine wasn't the same situation obviously, but the direction my knee buckled was similar to what would have happened if the coaches knee caught Carroll on the outside of the knee. He could have easily ended his career with that move.

Stay classy Jets, at least the fans and the team are one and the same.

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by valo403

Interesteing, as someone who has heard the sound of their ACL popping on the football field I'm going to disagree completely. Mine wasn't the same situation obviously, but the direction my knee buckled was similar to what would have happened if the coaches knee caught Carroll on the outside of the knee. He could have easily ended his career with that move.

Stay classy Jets, at least the fans and the team are one and the same.

Where did I say what he did was ok? I said he should be fired, but you of course ignore that. I guess I shouldn't expect more from a guy who called everyone from Texas stupid and no I am not from Texas (although I do live here). I've torn my ACL as well. Alosi being in the position he was in it's pretty easy to aim where his knee was hitting. If he had hit him in the knee and ended his career I am sure a successful lawsuit would have followed. My argument isn't that what Alosi did was ok, it wasn't. It was that Spygate was more detrimental to the integrity of the game. It was. Everyone is arguing the wrong thing with me. It seems you are the expert of picking up little things on a post and ignoring the actual point of said post.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Sowa

Where did I say what he did was ok? I said he should be fired, but you of course ignore that. I guess I shouldn't expect more from a guy who called everyone from Texas stupid and no I am not from Texas (although I do live here). I've torn my ACL as well. Alosi being in the position he was in it's pretty easy to aim where his knee was hitting. If he had hit him in the knee and ended his career I am sure a successful lawsuit would have followed. My argument isn't that what Alosi did was ok, it wasn't. It was that Spygate was more detrimental to the integrity of the game. It was. Everyone is arguing the wrong thing with me. It seems you are the expert of picking up little things on a post and ignoring the actual point of said post.

First, it appears you're the expert on not picking up on incredibly blatant jokes. Yes, I think everyone in Texas is an idiot

Second, you downplayed the potential for injury. I argued directly against that. I didn't compare it to spygate, I didn't talk about "the integrity of the game" and I didn't say that you said it was okay.

Maybe you should try not ignoring the actual point of said post.

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by valo403

First, it appears you're the expert on not picking up on incredibly blatant jokes. Yes, I think everyone in Texas is an idiot

Second, you downplayed the potential for injury. I argued directly against that. I didn't compare it to spygate, I didn't talk about "the integrity of the game" and I didn't say that you said it was okay.

Maybe you should try not ignoring the actual point of said post.

I inferred that from the comment you thought I was not being classy that I was arguing it was ok. I didn't think that you would say that based on my differing opinion on the chance for injury.

[Pagal4321]

Originally Posted by Sowa

You don't learn every play, but (and I am looking for the article) there's an interview with a coach where he said if he had a tape of a walkthrough he could figure out the first 15 plays an opponent would run. If you know what they are running there's a good chance that they will go 3 and out, thus 5 possessions is pretty much the first quarter (obviously if you go 3 and out a couple times you probably change the gameplan, but you have severely altered the game and it was against the Rams not the Panthers).

You are making the huge assumption that what a team does in the walkthrough is exactly what they would do in a game situation. I don't think any team has their first 15 plays of a game SET the day before.