2010 NFL Regular Season Thread

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Anyone else do their Pro Bowl voting yet? My teams look like this:

AFC -

QB: Rivers (SD), Manning (IND), Brady (NE)
RB: Johnson (TEN), McFadden (OAK), Foster (HOU)
FB: Hester (SD)
WR: Bowe (KC), Johnson (HOU), Lloyd (DEN), Wayne (IND)
TE: Gates (SD), Lewis (JAX)
T: Ferguson (NYJ), Long (MIA), Thomas (CLE)
G: Dielman (SD), Manuwai (JAX), Waters (KC)
C: Amano (TEN), Mangold (NYJ)

DE: Mathis (IND), Freeney (IND), Williams (HOU)
DT: Ngata (BAL), Seymour (OAK), Williams (BUF)
OLB: Wake (MIA), Suggs (BAL), Harrison (PIT)
ILB: Lewis (BAL), Mayo (NE)
CB: Bailey (DEN), Asomugha (OAK), Hall (CIN)
SS: Polamalu (PIT)
FS: Reed (BAL)

K: Carpenter (MIA)
P: Lechler (OAK)
KR/PR: Mariani (TEN)
ST: Mays (DEN)

NFC -

QB: Rodgers (GB), Ryan (ATL), Vick (PHI)
RB: Jackson (STL), McCoy (PHI), Peterson (MIN)
FB: Karney (STL)
WR: White (ATL), Jackson (PHI), Nicks (NYG), Johnson (DET)
TE: Davis (SF), Witten (DAL)
T: Clifton (GB), Free (DAL), Rushrod (NO)
G: Herremans (PHI), Blalock (ATL), Colledge (GB)
C: O'Hara (NYG), Sullivan (MIN)

DE: Clemons (SEA), Tuck (NYG), Umenyiora (NYG)
DT: Cofield (NYG), Suh (DET), Raji (GB)
OLB: Matthews (GB), Greenway (MIN), Anderson (CAR)
ILB: Willis (SF), Urlacher (CHI)
CB: Samuel (PHI), Talib (TB), Woodson (GB)
SS: Landry (WSH)
FS: Delmas (DET)

K: Akers (PHI)
P: McBriar (DAL)
KR/PR: Bryant (DAL)
ST: Alexander (WSH)

No Hillis?

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Vince Young has been banned from the Titans' facilities.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5843438

2nd qb that the Titan's have banned in their short history. If I am a player I'm not sure I want to go to a team who has banned 2 out of the 3 starting qbs in their history.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Sowa

No Hillis?

He should be there, but who do you drop in his favour? MJD, Rice, Mendenhall, and Charles deserve to be there as well. I suppose you could drop McFadden, but he's been lights out as well. On the NFC side it's hard to keep out Gore, Bradshaw, Turner, and Forte.

EDIT: Looking at the stats I would probably drop McFadden for Charles and his 6.1 average.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by burn_baby_burn

Speaking of the Chiefs in Seattle, I'll be heading to that game. I know a few of the posters here have been to games down there, I think Ditch has Seahawks season tickets. Any tips or recommendations for that stadium? I'll be staying within walking distance of the stadium, so I don't need parking tips or anything like that.

I haven't been down to that part of Seattle since I watched the Lions and Seahawks play in the King Dome back in 1999. I'm sure its changed a bit since then.

Thats awesome and I'm definitely jealous! I was looking to go with a friend and it just wasn't in the cards this time around.

Should be awesome though, and hopefully you'll get to see a Chiefs win!!!

[Sylvanfan]

Yeah, I'm going to the Seahawks and Chiefs game too this weekend. Hoping to see something looking a bit more like the home Chiefs. Key on Mike Williams and make Marshawn Lynch and Justin Forsett try to beat you. Hopefully Bowe will catch another TD and Charles can break off a long TD run. Weather network claims it should clear up and be about 5 above in Seattle on Sunday. I just don't want any of that sideways falling slush that can happen there at this time of year. Minus 5 in Seattle feels a lot colder than -30 in Alberta.

[dirk diggler]

Originally Posted by Sowa

2nd qb that the Titan's have banned in their short history. If I am a player I'm not sure I want to go to a team who has banned 2 out of the 3 starting qbs in their history.

Mcnair was banned because of contractual issues not because he was a dummy, big difference

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by dirk diggler

Mcnair was banned because of contractual issues not because he was a dummy, big difference

He was banned because they didn't want him on the team. There were no contractual issues they were trying to get rid of him. And Young isn't banned because the McNair incident set a precedent that you can't ban players under contract from team facilities if they aren't suspended.

[transplant99]

Young was never asked to leave the facilities according to Schefter. he said that Young was asked not to attend a team meeting that had Fisher addressing the rest of the team about Vince Young. VY was in the facility to meet with medical personel about going forward with his surgery.

Nothing else to it according to him.

[dirk diggler]

Originally Posted by Sowa

He was banned because they didn't want him on the team. There were no contractual issues they were trying to get rid of him. And Young isn't banned because the McNair incident set a precedent that you can't ban players under contract from team facilities if they aren't suspended.

there was contractual issues, if he got hurt at the facility, they would have been on the hook for a big part of his contract, thus it was contractual not a personal/behavioral issue like it is with pea brain Vince...

[Lil Pedro]

I spell the end of Vince Young in a Tennessee Titans jersey. He would look good in a couple of cities needing a quarterback (e.g. Carolina, Miami, Minnesota, San Francisco)

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by Lil Pedro

I spell the end of Vince Young in a Tennessee Titans jersey. He would look good in a couple of cities needing a quarterback (e.g. Carolina, Miami, Minnesota, San Francisco)

On the contrary I think this is the end of Jeff Fisher in Tennessee. He caused them to miss the playoffs last year by his refusal to play Vince and Bud Adams still thinks the world of Young. They are going to bring in someone who will scheme around Young's talents not someone whose offense is stuck in the last decade.

[dirk diggler]

Originally Posted by Sowa

On the contrary I think this is the end of Jeff Fisher in Tennessee. He caused them to miss the playoffs last year by his refusal to play Vince and Bud Adams still thinks the world of Young. They are going to bring in someone who will scheme around Young's talents not someone whose offense is stuck in the last decade.

They won games at the end of last year because their defense started to gell and because of the running game, they didnt win because of Vince Young... it amazes me how some think this guy is anything other than a marginal QB at best.. he is nothing special... not even a top 20 QB.

[FlamingLonghorn]

Also I want to know where all the VY has a weak arm misconceptions came from? He can throw the ball probably further than 90% of NFL QBs. I guess it's from his tendency to float shorter passes, which is definitely something he needs to work on.

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by dirk diggler

They won games at the end of last year because their defense started to gell and because of the running game, they didnt win because of Vince Young... it amazes me how some think this guy is anything other than a marginal QB at best.. he is nothing special... not even a top 20 QB.

It's amazing that you seem to think that VY had nothing to do with the running game exploding. I like how you ignored my comment about more than half of Johnson's long runs came on VY options. Also in the first 6 games of the season with Collins at qb, Johnson had 2 100 yd rushing games. With VY he broke 100 in all 10. I think it's funny you think that's a coincidence and has no causal (is that a word? looks funny) relationship. Just to add Johnson hasn't hit 100 yds 4 times this season, 3 of those times Young missed significant time during the game.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Sowa

On the contrary I think this is the end of Jeff Fisher in Tennessee. He caused them to miss the playoffs last year by his refusal to play Vince and Bud Adams still thinks the world of Young. They are going to bring in someone who will scheme around Young's talents not someone whose offense is stuck in the last decade.

You maybe correct, but...Jeff Fisher is more popular in Nashville than any other sports figure in that town from what I understand. With Youngs emotional meltdowns there is little chance that Bud Adams builds his team around him as the stability needed to be the face of a franchise is rather large. We have seen this song and dance before throughout the NFL, and rarely will the player win that battle.

I will say this though Sowa, you are vastly underrating the amount of respect that Fisher carries throughout the league, and should he be available there are about 7 teams that would be in contact with him within minutes of finding out.

I think Fisher wins this game of chicken easily, but Bud Adams is a bit of a loose cannon himself, so he may just be egomaniacal enough to go the VY route.

[dirk diggler]

Originally Posted by Sowa

It's amazing that you seem to think that VY had nothing to do with the running game exploding. I like how you ignored my comment about more than half of Johnson's long runs came on VY options. Also in the first 6 games of the season with Collins at qb, Johnson had 2 100 yd rushing games. With VY he broke 100 in all 10. I think it's funny you think that's a coincidence and has no causal (is that a word? looks funny) relationship. Just to add Johnson hasn't hit 100 yds 4 times this season, 3 of those times Young missed significant time during the game.

i just think he when it is all said and done will never be anything special.. he is in an offense where he just has to manage the game, put him in an offense like San Diego, Indy etc....he would fail miserably. time will tell

[troutman]

Young has always been a jerk. In the big Bowl Game win, he ran to pose for the cameras on his own, rather than celebrate with his team-mates.

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by transplant99

You maybe correct, but...Jeff Fisher is more popular in Nashville than any other sports figure in that town from what I understand. With Youngs emotional meltdowns there is little chance that Bud Adams builds his team around him as the stability needed to be the face of a franchise is rather large. We have seen this song and dance before throughout the NFL, and rarely will the player win that battle.

I will say this though Sowa, you are vastly underrating the amount of respect that Fisher carries throughout the league, and should he be available there are about 7 teams that would be in contact with him within minutes of finding out.

I think Fisher wins this game of chicken easily, but Bud Adams is a bit of a loose cannon himself, so he may just be egomaniacal enough to go the VY route.

I know Fisher will be in high demand. I think he is overrated as a coach and will be exposed when he goes to a not so talented team. I think he has failed to adapt with the changes the league has seen on the offensive side of the ball. He has done nothing in the last 5 years with one of the most talented defenses in the league for 3 of those years.

Here's the choice if you are Bud Adams. Lose VY for almost nothing even though you think he still can be your franchise qb (unless he's lying), or trade the rights to Fisher, someone who you have had disagreements with, for a 1st or 2nd rounder and hire someone who can run an offense or who will hire a OC that is better suited to having Young as your franchise QB.

Young is 30-17 as a starter. How many times did Manning get benched in his first few years? 0. Just look at the Jets with Mark Sanchez. Ryan has stood by him through thick and thin and Sanchez is better for it. When Sanchez put up 0 pts against the Packers did he get benched? No, then he came out and had 3 of his best games ever. Fisher has never shown any confidence in Young from the moment he was drafted and that hurts a QBs confidence.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Sowa

I know Fisher will be in high demand. I think he is overrated as a coach and will be exposed when he goes to a not so talented team. I think he has failed to adapt with the changes the league has seen on the offensive side of the ball. He has done nothing in the last 5 years with one of the most talented defenses in the league for 3 of those years.

Here's the choice if you are Bud Adams. Lose VY for almost nothing even though you think he still can be your franchise qb (unless he's lying), or trade the rights to Fisher, someone who you have had disagreements with, for a 1st or 2nd rounder and hire someone who can run an offense or who will hire a OC that is better suited to having Young as your franchise QB.

Young is 30-17 as a starter. How many times did Manning get benched in his first few years? 0. Just look at the Jets with Mark Sanchez. Ryan has stood by him through thick and thin and Sanchez is better for it. When Sanchez put up 0 pts against the Packers did he get benched? No, then he came out and had 3 of his best games ever. Fisher has never shown any confidence in Young from the moment he was drafted and that hurts a QBs confidence.

I dont believe you can trade "rights" to a coach, in fact i am sure of it. he either works for you or you fire him and pay him.

Beyond all that though...this is more about VY's instability and his very apparent inability to handle adversity or poor situations. His history is says he cant and last weeks actions tell you he simply has hasnt grown up enough to do so, and at this point probably never will., and that is not who you want running your team as a leader. It is a recipe for disaster.

You are right about Sanchez, he faced adversity was able to deal with it without resorting to juvenille tactics and has done what was expected of professionals. Thats why ryan stuck with him. He is strong mentally and always has been. Young? Not so much.

Put it this way I guess...who do you trust more in football decisions?

Jeff Fisher who has been a head coach for 16 years, played in the NFL and has seen it all as far as players etc, or 87 year old Bud Adams whose eccentricity is part of his calling card but never had a bit of football background before buying his way into a fledgling league after making a fortune in petroleum?

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I dont believe you can trade "rights" to a coach, in fact i am sure of it. he either works for you or you fire him and pay him.

The Raiders received two 1st rounders, two 2nd rounders and $8 million from the Buccaneers for Jon Gruden in 2002.

Basically, I think you agree to let the coach sign with another team, while he's still under contract with your team in exchange for compensation. Essentially a trade.

Malcolm Glazer got what he so desperately desired a few years ago when that noted West Coast auctioneer, Al Davis, bartered away Jon Gruden to the over-eager Tampa Bay Buccaneers owner for a staggering price: two first-round draft choices, a pair of second-rounders and a Warren Sapp-hefty $8 million. After agreeing upon a compensation package that released the youngest coach in the NFL from the final year of his Oakland Raiders contract, the Glazer family signed Gruden to a five-year, $17.5 million contract.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/colum...den-deal_x.htm