11-22-2010, 11:38 PM
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#2801
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I think the dominant conference has switched midseason this year. For this first half of the season I would've had the AFC teams as favourites to win the Super Bowl, but now I think the NFC is looking better. Maybe not the conference as a whole, but I think Green Bay, Philly, and New Orleans are better than the big AFC dogs.
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11-22-2010, 11:50 PM
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#2802
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by rubecube
I think the dominant conference has switched midseason this year. For this first half of the season I would've had the AFC teams as favourites to win the Super Bowl, but now I think the NFC is looking better. Maybe not the conference as a whole, but I think Green Bay, Philly, and New Orleans are better than the big AFC dogs.
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Pittsburgh, Indy and even NE are still easily better than anything the NFC has to offer. NO is scary because when healthy they have a ton of talent and Individually GB has some talent but Philly is an easy win fro any of the top6-7 AFC teams and the only team that has a chance to beat an AFC at their best is a healthy NO team.
The NFC hasn't looked as god awful as it was at the start of the season but GB and NO have a lot to prove before they can be considered in the same class as the top teams in the AFC and Philly has no business being in the conversation at all.
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11-22-2010, 11:56 PM
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#2803
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Everyone's Favorite Oilfan!
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: San Jose, California
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I for one think Philly is a solid team and should be in the conversation. I don't think there is 1 team this year who is heads and shoulders above anyone. If SD wins their division, I think anybody from the 6 in the AFC have a chance to get to the Superbowl from that side. The only team who I don't think has a shot is the winner of the NFC West. They are hooped IMO and will be out in the 1st round.
In terms of top AFC teams vs top NFC teams.....it depends who it is on a matchup vs matchup scenario. I think the games would be close if you take the top 4 from each side.
Last edited by OILFAN #81; 11-23-2010 at 12:03 AM.
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11-23-2010, 12:06 AM
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#2804
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Victoria
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Originally Posted by moon
Pittsburgh, Indy and even NE are still easily better than anything the NFC has to offer. NO is scary because when healthy they have a ton of talent and Individually GB has some talent but Philly is an easy win fro any of the top6-7 AFC teams and the only team that has a chance to beat an AFC at their best is a healthy NO team.
The NFC hasn't looked as god awful as it was at the start of the season but GB and NO have a lot to prove before they can be considered in the same class as the top teams in the AFC and Philly has no business being in the conversation at all.
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LOL. You throw Indy into the conversation but say Philly has no business being in there? Did you forget what happened at the Linc two weeks ago? If I wasn't so sure you're just trolling to get a reaction, I'd be surprised that anyone could be as obtuse as you are.
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11-23-2010, 08:59 AM
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#2805
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Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Chiefs Kingdom, Yankees Universe, C of Red.
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Originally Posted by transplant99
It looks to me that the division will come down to KC and how well they play out the season. If they can go 4-2 and beat the Bolts one more time its theirs going away, anything less and it will get touchy. I think the Raiders are toast...the QB'ing is horrendous....and its a QB driven league for the most part.
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The chances of the Chiefs winning in SD are very slim. Nothing would please me more, however everything that the Chiefs have struggled with this season will be facing them in SD.
For one they have a tough time winning on the road. They won in Cleveland, kept it close in Indy, blew a big lead in Houston, played undisciplined in Oakland, and got slaughtered in Denver. Facing a red hot Chargers team on the road will be the toughest test for this team all year.
Second, they have a very tough time defending the pass. Good QB's will put up big numbers on this Chiefs secondary. Outside of the Indy game the Chiefs have let QB's carve them up and put points on the board in bunches on the road. Philip Rivers will have a 350 yard, 4 TD game versus the Chiefs at a minimum.
Third, as good as Matt Cassel has been this season. He cannot make a comeback when the Chiefs are down. The Chiefs O-line and Matt Cassel have allowed very few sacks this season. When the team is down however, Matt goes into panic mode and leaves the pocket early allowing himself to get sacked. Its like he cannot function in high pressure situations with the game on the line. He is great when the score is tied, with the lead, or when the other team has the game in hand. When the game is on his shoulders he is terrible.
Considering all three of those things the Chiefs will have a very tough time winning in SD. They need to take care of business with the other remaining five games. Starting this weekend in Seattle.
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11-23-2010, 09:05 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Chiefs Kingdom, Yankees Universe, C of Red.
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Speaking of the Chiefs in Seattle, I'll be heading to that game. I know a few of the posters here have been to games down there, I think Ditch has Seahawks season tickets. Any tips or recommendations for that stadium? I'll be staying within walking distance of the stadium, so I don't need parking tips or anything like that.
I haven't been down to that part of Seattle since I watched the Lions and Seahawks play in the King Dome back in 1999. I'm sure its changed a bit since then.
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11-23-2010, 09:35 AM
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#2807
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rubecube
I think the dominant conference has switched midseason this year. For this first half of the season I would've had the AFC teams as favourites to win the Super Bowl, but now I think the NFC is looking better. Maybe not the conference as a whole, but I think Green Bay, Philly, and New Orleans are better than the big AFC dogs.
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Theres a better team within that division: Atlanta
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11-23-2010, 10:13 AM
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#2808
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: in your blind spot.
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Originally Posted by Montana Moe
I wonder why some guys like Lloyd take so long to figure out how to play in this league. I've been waiting for him to become a quality receiver for years now.
QB/WR chemistry is a part of it, I'm sure. Injuries have taken a toll, but it always seemed like the effort wasn't there.
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That one fairly easy catch that he dropped is the reason.
For some reason Lloyd is exceptional at making the circus catches but the more routine catches he has always seemed to lose focus. It has been that way for his entire career. Watching him start his career for SF, the coaches always were harping on him to make the catch before turning up field, but as soon as the game began he would always revert back.
Put Lloyd in the toughest areas of the field and he will be money, but you need to compliment him with a player who can make catches in the open field.
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11-23-2010, 10:43 AM
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#2809
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Bobblehead
That one fairly easy catch that he dropped is the reason.
For some reason Lloyd is exceptional at making the circus catches but the more routine catches he has always seemed to lose focus. It has been that way for his entire career. Watching him start his career for SF, the coaches always were harping on him to make the catch before turning up field, but as soon as the game began he would always revert back.
Put Lloyd in the toughest areas of the field and he will be money, but you need to compliment him with a player who can make catches in the open field.
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Agreed. Case and point, look at Denvers second TD
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11-23-2010, 12:19 PM
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#2810
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Victoria
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Originally Posted by Lil Pedro
Theres a better team within that division: Atlanta
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I'm not putting Atlanta into that conversation unless they lock up home field advantage for the playoffs. The only decent team they've beaten on the road so far is New Orleans. That being said, with their cupcake schedule, they could very easily lock up home field advantage.
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11-23-2010, 12:50 PM
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#2811
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Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: sector 7G
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Originally Posted by burn_baby_burn
Speaking of the Chiefs in Seattle, I'll be heading to that game. I know a few of the posters here have been to games down there, I think Ditch has Seahawks season tickets. Any tips or recommendations for that stadium? I'll be staying within walking distance of the stadium, so I don't need parking tips or anything like that.
I haven't been down to that part of Seattle since I watched the Lions and Seahawks play in the King Dome back in 1999. I'm sure its changed a bit since then.
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Nothing of note, really. Beautiful stadium. Loud as hell and too much fun. I had some good natured ribbing wearing my Pats jersey, but they were pretty cool about it. I love Seattle.
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11-23-2010, 02:02 PM
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#2812
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Victoria
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Anyone else do their Pro Bowl voting yet? My teams look like this:
AFC -
QB: Rivers (SD), Manning (IND), Brady (NE)
RB: Johnson (TEN), McFadden (OAK), Foster (HOU)
FB: Hester (SD)
WR: Bowe (KC), Johnson (HOU), Lloyd (DEN), Wayne (IND)
TE: Gates (SD), Lewis (JAX)
T: Ferguson (NYJ), Long (MIA), Thomas (CLE)
G: Dielman (SD), Manuwai (JAX), Waters (KC)
C: Amano (TEN), Mangold (NYJ)
DE: Mathis (IND), Freeney (IND), Williams (HOU)
DT: Ngata (BAL), Seymour (OAK), Williams (BUF)
OLB: Wake (MIA), Suggs (BAL), Harrison (PIT)
ILB: Lewis (BAL), Mayo (NE)
CB: Bailey (DEN), Asomugha (OAK), Hall (CIN)
SS: Polamalu (PIT)
FS: Reed (BAL)
K: Carpenter (MIA)
P: Lechler (OAK)
KR/PR: Mariani (TEN)
ST: Mays (DEN)
NFC -
QB: Rodgers (GB), Ryan (ATL), Vick (PHI)
RB: Jackson (STL), McCoy (PHI), Peterson (MIN)
FB: Karney (STL)
WR: White (ATL), Jackson (PHI), Nicks (NYG), Johnson (DET)
TE: Davis (SF), Witten (DAL)
T: Clifton (GB), Free (DAL), Rushrod (NO)
G: Herremans (PHI), Blalock (ATL), Colledge (GB)
C: O'Hara (NYG), Sullivan (MIN)
DE: Clemons (SEA), Tuck (NYG), Umenyiora (NYG)
DT: Cofield (NYG), Suh (DET), Raji (GB)
OLB: Matthews (GB), Greenway (MIN), Anderson (CAR)
ILB: Willis (SF), Urlacher (CHI)
CB: Samuel (PHI), Talib (TB), Woodson (GB)
SS: Landry (WSH)
FS: Delmas (DET)
K: Akers (PHI)
P: McBriar (DAL)
KR/PR: Bryant (DAL)
ST: Alexander (WSH)
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11-23-2010, 03:26 PM
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#2814
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Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Originally Posted by rubecube
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Bizarre situation for the coach to openly tell the players that Young quit on them especially when his season has ended due to injury. You would think Fisher would take the high road there and just say he's not going to be with us for the remainder of the year. Well one thing for sure is that there will be changes in the offseason. The problem I would have as a Titans fan is that they are going be joining the Cardinals, Panthers, 49ers, Vikings, Bills, Raiders as teams without the elusive franchise QB. I forsee tough times for that team.
As a Raiders fan I would take a chance at Young. He wins games, has big upside and may just need a change in scenery. Plus Davis apparently would have drafted him if available in 2006.
Last edited by Erick Estrada; 11-23-2010 at 03:28 PM.
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11-23-2010, 04:59 PM
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by rubecube
Anyone else do their Pro Bowl voting yet? My teams look like this:
AFC -
QB: Rivers (SD), Manning (IND), Brady (NE)
RB: Johnson (TEN), McFadden (OAK), Foster (HOU)
FB: Hester (SD)
WR: Bowe (KC), Johnson (HOU), Lloyd (DEN), Wayne (IND)
TE: Gates (SD), Lewis (JAX)
T: Ferguson (NYJ), Long (MIA), Thomas (CLE)
G: Dielman (SD), Manuwai (JAX), Waters (KC)
C: Amano (TEN), Mangold (NYJ)
DE: Mathis (IND), Freeney (IND), Williams (HOU)
DT: Ngata (BAL), Seymour (OAK), Williams (BUF)
OLB: Wake (MIA), Suggs (BAL), Harrison (PIT)
ILB: Lewis (BAL), Mayo (NE)
CB: Bailey (DEN), Asomugha (OAK), Hall (CIN)
SS: Polamalu (PIT)
FS: Reed (BAL)
K: Carpenter (MIA)
P: Lechler (OAK)
KR/PR: Mariani (TEN)
ST: Mays (DEN)
NFC -
QB: Rodgers (GB), Ryan (ATL), Vick (PHI)
RB: Jackson (STL), McCoy (PHI), Peterson (MIN)
FB: Karney (STL)
WR: White (ATL), Jackson (PHI), Nicks (NYG), Johnson (DET)
TE: Davis (SF), Witten (DAL)
T: Clifton (GB), Free (DAL), Rushrod (NO)
G: Herremans (PHI), Blalock (ATL), Colledge (GB)
C: O'Hara (NYG), Sullivan (MIN)
DE: Clemons (SEA), Tuck (NYG), Umenyiora (NYG)
DT: Cofield (NYG), Suh (DET), Raji (GB)
OLB: Matthews (GB), Greenway (MIN), Anderson (CAR)
ILB: Willis (SF), Urlacher (CHI)
CB: Samuel (PHI), Talib (TB), Woodson (GB)
SS: Landry (WSH)
FS: Delmas (DET)
K: Akers (PHI)
P: McBriar (DAL)
KR/PR: Bryant (DAL)
ST: Alexander (WSH)
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Mario doesn't deserve to be anywhere close to the Pro Bowl this year, his effort level has been disgusting all year.
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11-23-2010, 05:11 PM
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
Bizarre situation for the coach to openly tell the players that Young quit on them especially when his season has ended due to injury. You would think Fisher would take the high road there and just say he's not going to be with us for the remainder of the year. Well one thing for sure is that there will be changes in the offseason. The problem I would have as a Titans fan is that they are going be joining the Cardinals, Panthers, 49ers, Vikings, Bills, Raiders as teams without the elusive franchise QB. I forsee tough times for that team.
As a Raiders fan I would take a chance at Young. He wins games, has big upside and may just need a change in scenery. Plus Davis apparently would have drafted him if available in 2006.
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Not bizarre...because that is what Young did....and his teammates saw it all.
Jeff Fisher is drawing the line in the sand and telling Bud Adams, its him or me. No idea who wins it.
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11-23-2010, 05:12 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: City by the Bay
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
As a Raiders fan I would take a chance at Young. He wins games, has big upside and may just need a change in scenery. Plus Davis apparently would have drafted him if available in 2006.
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Good lord no. I would rather limp through the next 5-6 years with Gradkowski than ever have Vince Young as the Raiders QB. To be successful as an NFL team, you need a smart QB. Young is about as stupid as they come and finally once he got to the NFL, like Vick, relying purely on his athleticism led him to mediocrity. Vick has come back and learned to be a good QB (reading coverages, checking down his receiver options, etc., rather than ducking his head and running when his 1st option is covered).
Vince Young is just a more athletic Aaron Brooks. The Raiders have been down that path.
The good news (for Raiders fans like me who think Young is overrated) is that he doesn't have an arm... something that Davis covets.
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11-23-2010, 05:26 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: back in the 403
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Originally Posted by Lil Pedro
Theres a better team within that division: Atlanta
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I still say the Saints are the best team in that division once they're finally healthy, but Atlanta definitely deserves to be in the conversation in the NFC, if not at the forefront. They do hold the NFC's best record to this point. Too bad Hartley schanked basically an extra point in OT against em, or it'd be the Saints holding the #1 seed right now.
Amazing how Tampa is 7-3 and in THIRD in the South. Very tough division this year.
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11-23-2010, 05:48 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Kalispell, Montana
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Originally Posted by Bobblehead
That one fairly easy catch that he dropped is the reason.
For some reason Lloyd is exceptional at making the circus catches but the more routine catches he has always seemed to lose focus. It has been that way for his entire career. Watching him start his career for SF, the coaches always were harping on him to make the catch before turning up field, but as soon as the game began he would always revert back.
Put Lloyd in the toughest areas of the field and he will be money, but you need to compliment him with a player who can make catches in the open field.
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He hasn't dropped many this year. Hopefully he's got it figured out now.
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11-23-2010, 05:49 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Kalispell, Montana
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Originally Posted by transplant99
Not bizarre...because that is what Young did....and his teammates saw it all.
Jeff Fisher is drawing the line in the sand and telling Bud Adams, its him or me. No idea who wins it.
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Hopefully, Bud picks Vince, fires Fisher who becomes the next coach of the Denver Broncos. 
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