WESTERN FINALS: Riders vs STAMPEDERS

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Wise Gamble

LOL. Both leagues reffing isn't that great but who cares if the NFL publically becomes accountable? Does it make it better? Has it made it better? No. Refs in the NFL have been rigging games for decades, and they know they can get away with it by apologizing later on after the game is over and make it all better. Remember that Steelers 11-10 win of the Chargers?? They took back a fumble recovery from the Steelers with little time on the clock because that would mean the Steelers cover the spread and Vegas loses $60+ million...Stamps choked plain and simple. Awful playcalling and Burris once again doesn't show up.

LOL so the NFL fixes games for Vegas. Yep your avatar is fitting indeed.

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by Wise Gamble

LOL. Both leagues reffing isn't that great but who cares if the NFL publically becomes accountable? Does it make it better? Has it made it better? No. Refs in the NFL have been rigging games for decades, and they know they can get away with it by apologizing later on after the game is over and make it all better. Remember that Steelers 11-10 win of the Chargers?? They took back a fumble recovery from the Steelers with little time on the clock because that would mean the Steelers cover the spread and Vegas loses $60+ million...Stamps choked plain and simple. Awful playcalling and Burris once again doesn't show up.

I don't recall that game, but over the numerous NFL and CFL games I watch, NFL refs are a lot more consistent and making the right calls in comparison to the CFL games.

And yes accountability does matter. Because that ref is going to get negative attention afterwards for making a mistake that dictated the result of a game. It motivates better officiating, something the NHL and CFL can use.

[Bar-Down]

Originally Posted by Wise Gamble

LOL. Both leagues reffing isn't that great but who cares if the NFL publically becomes accountable? Does it make it better? Has it made it better? No. Refs in the NFL have been rigging games for decades, and they know they can get away with it by apologizing later on after the game is over and make it all better. Remember that Steelers 11-10 win of the Chargers?? They took back a fumble recovery from the Steelers with little time on the clock because that would mean the Steelers cover the spread and Vegas loses $60+ million...Stamps choked plain and simple. Awful playcalling and Burris once again doesn't show up.

hahaha your an idiot. Yes we get that you hate the city of Calgary and all of their teams. I was at the game and even some honest Rider fans were commenting on how all the calls went thier way.

Yes Calgary didnt play great and Yes Burris sucks in the playoffs but to say the officiating didnt make an impact is absolute BS.

Riders played like crap too, it was an awful game but the Ref's calls to favour the Riders was enough for them to win the game plain and simple.

Go cheer for your stupid Canucks and Lions on other message boards. Thanks.

[Red Potato Standing By]

wow go figure, blame the refs..is this a canucks forum? yes some of the calls were questionable but sorry if the stamps were the better team it shouldn't of mattered.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by Zethrynn

wow go figure, blame the refs..is this a canucks forum? yes some of the calls were questionable but sorry if the stamps were the better team it shouldn't of mattered.

It shouldn't matter that the riders got 8 chances from the 10 because of the bull#### pass interference/illegal contact and instead of settling for a field goal they end up getting a touchdown.

[Red Potato Standing By]

unfortunately it was illegal contact..don't knock the reciver on his a$$ and it won't be called..

[PeteLFan]

You know what, if the Riders came in here and imposed there will on us, and played a great game it is easy to swallow the loss. We did not play that great, but the Riders did not either. Yes bad tackling, and Henry Burris had a poor performance, but the game was 15-14, and the CFL jobbed us. You have to find conclusive evidence of the ball not coming out to overturn the call. That is a fix, the Riders president must have a mean lollypop game getting that call going his way. Jake Ireland was a disgrace of a referee before, and hes even a bigger one handling the booth in Toronto. Its not the first time he has screwed the Stamps. He is a idiot ref, who doesn't even know the rules of the game.

Then the cheap calls like Winston Dressler flopping like a Vancouver Canucks when he barley got touched. You knew something wasn't right when the game started with a cheap call on Nik Lewis for 15 yards. There is a reason this league is known as bush league, and laughed upon by many people, and it was on full display tonight. Embarrassing doesn't begin to describe the refereeing in this CFL, they are incompetent individuals.

You can't grow and expand the league with horse crap like tonight. The league wont review crap, we wont here anything about why a call went a certain way. How about that idiot ref on a 2nd and 1 looking at the ball during measurement and saying hold on something isn't right here. Trying to huddle up with his refs trying to figure out how to throw another flag and send us back even further.

Marian Durant sucks, and the Riders receivers suck as well, you would think with a brother who makes 5 plus million in the NHL, Ryan Getzlaf could send his brother some money to his disgusting teeth fixed. Its unfortunate that a garbage player like that Getzlaf and Durant look like word beaters against us.

Im done with the CFL.

[Doctordestiny]

Originally Posted by Roast Beef

Congrats to the CFL in making sure they got the matchup they wanted. Last CFL game I ever watch.

Poor losers say stuff like that.

[Doctordestiny]

Originally Posted by Wiggum_PI

I think the worst penalty was the illegal contact one on Browner for knocking down Weston Cross-Dressler. That little rat ball gets a penalty everytime the ball is thrown to him cause he's 5'6" and weighs like 100 pounds. He falls down on every single play and gets the call everytime.

Seriolusly? You're defending Browner, the king of illegal stuff on receivers? LOL

[moon]

Are there actually idiots out there saying it is whining by pointing out the that the refs/league were the difference in the game?

The Cates call is absolutely indefensivable. Ignore all the other BS calls and just look at the one call, on replay nonetheless, and it tells you everything you need to know about the league.

At worst it was inconclusive which means the call on the field stands. Realistically it was a clear fumble and the replay showed.

The Riders won because of one reason only the calls.

The league has always been bush league and I can deal with that but when the calls consistently go in one teams favor, especially on secodn down calls when they made awful plays, then there is something seriously wrong.

I can take losing to a team that played better, but losing because the league blatantly cheated is just plain wrong.

So long CFL, I gave you plenty of chances and stood up for you all the time but if you are going to keep screwing fans around you don't deserve the support.

[IceMan]

Originally Posted by Zethrynn

unfortunately it was illegal contact..don't knock the reciver on his a$$ and it won't be called..

Those aren't the penalties that most of us are complaining about though. It's the intentional grounding when Franklin was standing right underneath the ball, the Bryant flexing call when a play later a Rider player does the exact same thing but doesn't get flagged and the Cates fumble that was called a fumble on the field but then took almost 10 minutes to review. If it's inconclusive, then the call on the field should stand shouldn't it?

That's what makes the CFL so frustrating. I love the Stamps but I'll always watch an NFL/College game over a CFL game anyday of the week.

It was just a really brutally officiated game.

[Red Potato Standing By]

Originally Posted by IceMan xMVPx

Those aren't the penalties that most of us are complaining about though. It's the intentional grounding when Franklin was standing right underneath the ball, the Bryant flexing call when a play later a Rider player does the exact same thing but doesn't get flagged and the Cates fumble that was called a fumble on the field but then took almost 10 minutes to review. If it's inconclusive, then the call on the field should stand shouldn't it?

That's what makes the CFL so frustrating. I love the Stamps but I'll always watch an NFL/College game over a CFL game anyday of the week.

It was just a really brutally officiated game.

see two off the three i agree with you,yes i don't think it should of been intentional grounding and the taunting one was weak,but sorry his knee was down.

and really the tv ratings probably would of been better had the stamps made it to the cup so can't see the league fixing it for the riders to make it.

the reason the riders won is cause they sucked a little less then the stamps.

edit:i am a rider fan so of course i will be biased towrds the riders obviously.

[IceMan]

Originally Posted by Zethrynn

see two off the three i agree with you,yes i don't think it should of been intentional grounding and the taunting one was weak,but sorry his knee was down.

and really the tv ratings probably would of been better had the stamps made it to the cup so can't see the league fixing it for the riders to make it.

the reason the riders won is cause they sucked a little less then the stamps.

It was his elbow that was in question of being down before the ball was coming loose not his knee.

Look, it was a very close call but you could see the ball starting to come loose just before his elbow hit.

So since the call on the field was a fumble and the amount of time it took the officials to review it, shouldn't it be inconclusive and therefore the call on the field should stand?

Also I never said the game was fixed rather it was just a really brutally officiated game.

Edit: And obviously I'm a Stamps fan so you could see how pissed off I am right now.

[PeteLFan]

This is though to take, with the Flames sucking, and now this just a hard time for Calgary sports. You invest a lot emotionally in a team, our city has been crushed over and over again, and tonight is no easier. I really thought we had the team that was going to win it all. 18 games we where the best team, and then the CFL screws us, feels like a massive kick in the nuts from them.

I wish you could just walk away, this efffing sucks

[Art Vandelay]

So glad I stopped really caring about the CFL in the 90s. This would have really pissed me off.

[Erick Estrada]

I called this earlier in the week the the officials would have a say in this game and some called me crazy. The CFL isn't that hard to figure out. They called everything they could in favour of the Riders from the fumble that didn't have enough evidence to overturn, to the intentional grounding penalty even though the ball went right over a receiver's head, to the unsportsmanlike conduct for a receiver flexing his arms that happens nearly every sack or TD celebration. The officials called every little thing they could to make this game as difficult as possible for the Stampeders. This game reeked of a league agenda.

[Red Potato Standing By]

Originally Posted by IceMan xMVPx

It was his elbow that was in question of being down before the ball was coming loose not his knee.

Look, it was a very close call but you could see the ball starting to come loose just before his elbow hit.

So since the call on the field was a fumble and the amount of time it took the officials to review it, shouldn't it be inconclusive and therefore the call on the field should stand?

Also I never said the game was fixed rather it was just a really brutally officiated game.

Edit: And obviously I'm a Stamps fan so you could see how pissed off I am right now.

oh, my mistake..still think his knee was down first anyways so the play should still of been dead before the ball came free.
and yes i can understand and i would be too,but i would be pissed that my team didn't play good enough.
i think calgary still would of lost either way..they had great field position for alot of there drives in the second half..and what did they do with them.

[Flejszon]

I'm not gonna buy into this "fixed" conspiracy theory....but the reffing was bad.

Not saying that this was a fixed effort by the referees, and maybe this is a better topic for a whole new thread, but with this latest colin cambell thing, and the NBA ref a few years ago, the integrity of these leagues are being ruined.

I hope this game wasn't fixed, I have my doubts that this game was fixed, but deep down a little part of me believes there is a chance that it may have been. I don't know how they can do this, but I believe the leagues are in real danger of letting these type of things get out of hand. They have to find a way to prove to fans that these games are legit

[pepper24]

I froze my butt at McMahon today. The Cates fumble overturn was ridiculous and the reffing was brutal but at the end of the day the Riders have beat the Stamps 4 straight times in the playoffs. Tough to take but the better team won.

[calgaryrocks]

Originally Posted by Flejszon

Not saying that this was a fixed effort by the referees, and maybe this is a better topic for a whole new thread, but with this latest colin cambell thing, and the NBA ref a few years ago, the integrity of these leagues are being ruined.

I hope this game wasn't fixed, I have my doubts that this game was fixed, but deep down a little part of me believes there is a chance that it may have been. I don't know how they can do this, but I believe the leagues are in real danger of letting these type of things get out of hand. They have to find a way to prove to fans that these games are legit

true, as fans we could never prove such a thing happening, but the idea that a league could be fixing its games could prove quite disastrous, no matter the league.
I hope (and choose to believe) that some of the people saying the fix was in are just pissed off after a loss, and a some bad calls. I was at the game and the grounding call seemed bad, had no idea on the cates fumble if it should be overturned or not and the endzone fumble sucked but makes sense when you look at the rule. couldn't tell from where I was what happened on the unsportsmanlike conduct penalty but sounds like it was a ripoff.
oh well, can't take these things too seriously, or I will have to stop following sports! just enjoy the game for the entertainment, and live with the occasional bad call.

also, the CFL could invest more in the refereeing for more consistency, hopefully they are working on this, and having challenges is a start. although, I think they should remove Higgins from the director of officiating, too many connects with teams he has coached (*cough, Calgary)

this is the sad reality of gambling and money playing a huge role in sports unfortunately, in the NFL you here about these things happening to affect the point spread which causes tens of millions of dollars to change hands. also tv deals, getting the teams in with the most ratings.

ugh, after going to the game, the result sucked but I didn't even think that the refereeing played a role in this game or is a major issue, i just enjoyed the game. now after listening to the radio and reading on here It seems more important. which is downright silly!

heres hoping Tate steps up next year and takes over the starting role at some point, as Burris can't beat sask in the playoffs and makes poor decisions at times.
rant over