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Old 11-09-2010, 04:56 PM   #341
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Hijacking my own thread and I know that I always do this, but here is a great philosophical perspective on what "manliness" is and why it is still important. Written by one of America's greatest, if not the greatest political thinkers, Harvey Mansfield, it's a pretty insightful and indeed, surprising look at this now rather unpopular or politically incorrect word.

I highly recommend it.

http://www.amazon.ca/Manliness-Profe...9346893&sr=8-3
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Old 11-09-2010, 04:58 PM   #342
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I wish I could believe you, but that font is so feminine.

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Old 11-09-2010, 05:01 PM   #343
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Hijacking my own thread and I know that I always do this, but here is a great philosophical perspective on what "manliness" is and why it is still important. Written by one of America's greatest, if not the greatest political thinkers, Harvey Mansfield, it's a pretty insightful and indeed, surprising look at this now rather unpopular or politically incorrect word.

I highly recommend it.

http://www.amazon.ca/Manliness-Profe...9346893&sr=8-3
A Harvard professor writing a book on manliness? That doesn't sound very manly to me.
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Old 11-09-2010, 05:06 PM   #344
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I just noticed, it seems that people are mistaking GENDER ROLES for GENDER IDENTITY and vice versa. They are two separate things. I think the confusion is arising when people are talking about "masculinity" and "feminity". Reading some of the previous posts it seems they mean gender roles not gender identity.
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Old 11-09-2010, 05:19 PM   #345
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A Harvard professor writing a book on manliness? That doesn't sound very manly to me.
A modest defense of manliness isn't very manly. No, really, the book isn't about how every man needs to own a tweed hunting vest and double-barreled shotgun. Much more interesting than that.
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Feminism isn't a dirty word. Does mikey go out gay bashing too? For frack sakes.
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Old 11-09-2010, 06:08 PM   #347
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Hijacking my own thread and I know that I always do this, but here is a great philosophical perspective on what "manliness" is ...
Feeling better huh?
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Old 11-09-2010, 06:11 PM   #348
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While I do think that this is the case I don't necessarily think it's a bad thing.

The only unfortunate thing however, is that it seems that by doing this people seem to put their lives into "steps"

1) meet someone
2) live with said someone
3) get married
4) have children
5) get divorced
6) rinse and repeat

In my circumstance I asked my ex why she even said yes to marry me and would try to have kids and she even told me outright that it was the next thing to do
OMG!! Have you been spying on my life for the last 10 years.
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Old 11-09-2010, 06:25 PM   #349
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Feeling better huh?
Actually worse! I tend to intellectualize as a means to avoid real questions.
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Old 11-09-2010, 06:36 PM   #350
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Feminism isn't a dirty word. Does mikey go out gay bashing too? For frack sakes.
Die, die, die!
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Actually worse! I tend to intellectualize as a means to avoid real questions.
lol, we know Peter, we know.
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Die, die, die!
Frell you hippy. I hope you hang yourself on your Dr. Who scarf.
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