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[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by Weiser Wonder

I don't see why masculinity or femininity is valuable in and of itself. It's just probable biological make-up combined with cultural shaping. Why is it important for masculinity to be maintained in a society or an individual? I say, if it's harmful or undesirable to an individual or society, it's fine to get rid of it as a value.

Masculinity and femininity are the essential complimentary forces that draw the sexes together to create a family and continue the species.

Feminism has distorted the masculine/feminine relationship and we are seeing the result of it with dysfunctional families becoming the norm.

I can't believe you are pondering the importance of masculinity....

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by GreenTeaFrapp

They also had the wife stay home to cook and clean instead of getting a job. Maybe we should all revert to how it was in the 30's!

You say this like it's a bad thing....

[Weiser Wonder]

I agree that it's a recipe for disaster to force men into consistently acting against their genetic make-up. No violence or sex makes Jack a dull boy. However, I don't think there's anything inherently valuable about that genetic make up.

While there are virtues that are valuable that could be described as manly, I don't think it's a worthwhile distinction. I think we can bypass describing virtues as manly or feminine without losing a thing.

[vampire212]

Originally Posted by peter12

Jesus Christ, I never thought I would be posting one of these on here. I was in the relationship of my life, or so I thought, with the same girl for 3.5 years. I thought everything was great, but I just find out she has started seeing someone while I was travelling overseas.

I dumped her pretty hard, but now I don't know what to do. It really feels like the most cliched thing ever, but I think my heart just got broken. How the hell does one rebound from this?

happens to the best of us.. i am near that myself and i always worry about that but stay strong and keep doing things that keep you busy and before you know it your going to return to a relationship.

[Weiser Wonder]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Masculinity and femininity are the essential complimentary forces that draw the sexes together to create a family and continue the species.

Feminism has distorted the masculine/feminine relationship and we are seeing the result of it with dysfunctional families becoming the norm.

I can't believe you are pondering the importance of masculinity....

There is nothing inherently right about the way most men or women are naturally inclined to behave. It's just the way it is. If you decide to force people to act a certain way based on how we arbitrarily developed as a species, that's oppression in the same vein as religious oppression.

[GreenTeaFrapp]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

You say this like it's a bad thing....

Maybe not to people like you and Dion but it is for people who are raised with modern values.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Weiser Wonder

I agree that it's a recipe for disaster to force men into consistently acting against their genetic make-up. No violence or sex makes Jack a dull boy. However, I don't think there's anything inherently valuable about that genetic make up.

While there are virtues that are valuable that could be described as manly, I don't think it's a worthwhile distinction. I think we can bypass describing virtues as manly or feminine without losing a thing.

We could get into this a lot further, but now that mikey the redneck has come out in support of my position, I am going to have to re-evaluate things.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by GreenTeaFrapp

Maybe not to people like you and Dion but it is for people who are raised with modern values.

What is so wrong with the mother staying home to raise the kids until they are in school and then getting a job? My mother did that with us 3 kids.

I'm glad I wasn't dumped off on some daycare. Maybe you enjoy shuffling kids off to a daycare...

[flamesfever]

Originally Posted by GreenTeaFrapp

Maybe not to people like you and Dion but it is for people who are raised with modern values.

I believe it's a great benefit if the wife can stay home to raise the children. However, unfortunately not everyone can afford the luxury these days.

[flamesfever]

I believe the best marriage relationships happen where the husband and wife are mutually supportive in the understanding and rejoicing that both are different beings.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

I believe the best marriage relationships happen where the husband and wife are mutually supportive in the understanding and rejoicing that both are different beings.

The pot thread is the one just above this one.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by GreenTeaFrapp

Maybe not to people like you and Dion but it is for people who are raised with modern values.

Modern values? ...like the crap you learned in school?

You sound like a feminist yourself.

Feminism convinced women that marriage and family were oppresive, and that pursuing a career like a man is the path to fullfillment. It has done a great job of creating dysfunction in the family.

I'm all for women having choices, but not at the sacrifice of the family unit. For a woman who stays at home to raise the kids, that is a career in itself really, probably much more fullfilling than going to some boring day job....

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by Weiser Wonder

There is nothing inherently right about the way most men or women are naturally inclined to behave. It's just the way it is. If you decide to force people to act a certain way based on how we arbitrarily developed as a species, that's oppression in the same vein as religious oppression.

How are men "forced" to be masculine?

How are women "forced" to be feminine?

These are traits that we are born with.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Modern values? ...like the crap you learned in school?

You sound like a feminist yourself.

Feminism convinced women that marriage and family were oppresive, and that pursuing a career like a man is the path to fullfillment.

I'm all for women having choices, but not at the sacrifice of the family unit. For a woman who stays at home to raise the kids, that is a career in itself really, probably much more fullfilling than going to some boring day job....

Feminism was the great political movement of the 20th century for better or for worse. Instead of bitching about things in the conformity of the social world, women decided to go public and changed things dramatically.

In regards to the family unit, I agree that it is fundamentally one of the most important parts of the political society, but to make it a source of oppression is not the best way to sustain it.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

I believe it's a great benefit if the wife can stay home to raise the children. However, unfortunately not everyone can afford the luxury these days.

Sadly this is true. Most kids today are raised by televisions and strangers.

[driveway]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Masculinity and femininity are the essential complimentary forces that draw the sexes together to create a family and continue the species.

Feminism has distorted the masculine/feminine relationship and we are seeing the result of it with dysfunctional families becoming the norm.

I can't believe you are pondering the importance of masculinity....

This is such ridiculous BS.

Masculinity and Femininity are almost entirely socially constructed and Feminism is one of the most valuable political and social ideologies in history. It is the sister of Democracy and has contributed to the advancement of society in innumerable ways.

Clinging to an outdated idea that "masculine" and "feminine" have any inherent meaning or value is destructive and ignorant.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by peter12

In regards to the family unit, I agree that it is fundamentally one of the most important parts of the political society, but to make it a source of oppression is not the best way to sustain it.

You think the family is a source of oppression?

Interesting you refer to the family (not marriage, family) as an important part of a political society. You think the family is a political or social construct? I think it is based mostly in biology.

Side note - I recently discovered that the communist manifesto stresses the importance of breaking up the nuclear family.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by driveway

This is such ridiculous BS.

I wonder sometimes if mikey is for real, or playing a character like Colbert?

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by driveway

This is such ridiculous BS.

Masculinity and Femininity are almost entirely socially constructed and Feminism is one of the most valuable political and social ideologies in history. It is the sister of Democracy and has contributed to the advancement of society in innumerable ways.

Clinging to an outdate idea that "masculine" and "feminine" have any inherent meaning or value is destructive and ignorant.

I disagree. Masculinity and femininity are socially constructed? My god, where did you learn that crap?

Let me guess, you took some "womens studies" classes at university?

I look at the results of the movement, not the concept.

I'm sure feminism meant well, but it has done more damage than anything.

Look at the state of the family unit in Western nations. Dysfunction is the new normal.......yikes.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by driveway

Masculinity and Femininity are almost entirely socially constructed.

Give me some examples...