2010 NFL Regular Season Thread

[Pagal4321]

Originally Posted by Peter King

When Ben Roethlisberger lunged for a touchdown at the one and fumbled at the goal line, the officials at first ruled that Roethlisberger had crossed the plane of the goal line and scored. Once a touchdown was ruled, they're not going to police the fumble recovery; no need to, because the touchdown supercedes it.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...html?eref=sihp

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Pagal4321

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...html?eref=sihp

The fact that's comong from Peter King just strenghtens my point IMO

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Clever_Iggy

The refs are supposed to anticipate that the coaches will challenge a play? Really? So anytime there is a close play, the whistle is blown and the play is dead, the ref should let things continue until ball possession, a score, etc., is determined just in case the coach decides to challenge the play?

I always thought the ref was supposed to (a) make a call himself, (b) consult with the other refs to determine a call, (c) inform the crowd of a call and (d) interpret the rules of the game. I had no idea reading the coaches minds was part of it.

Of course anticipating a potential challenge is a part of officiating, it has been since the introduction of replay.

[Pagal4321]

Originally Posted by valo403

The fact that's comong from Peter King just strenghtens my point IMO

Well I'll take the opinion of a career long NFL columnist, along with all the other people who have stated the same, that the play was called correctly within the rules of the game.

Was it the right call as I see it? Probably not. But after the touchdown call was made on the field, everything after it is moot.

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by valo403

Of course anticipating a potential challenge is a part of officiating, it has been since the introduction of replay.

Okie-dokie.

[KTown]

Originally Posted by Pagal4321

Oh give it a rest, Steratore made the right call based on the NFL Rulebook. You SHOULD have a problem with the official who called it a touchdown in the first place because that's what caused this whole mess.

Don't spaz on me buddy!!! I am just pointing it out I totally don't believe in conspiracies. Learn to freakn read!

[Pagal4321]

Was I hallucinating after the Packers-Vikings game, or was that Brad Childress essentially declaring war with Favre during his postgame news conference? Yes, the two men have been clashing behind the scenes since last season. And yes, Favre threw three interceptions Sunday night, one returned for a touchdown by Bishop. But when Childress took his frustration public, I believe he escalated the situation to a new level – and that he may be misjudging his power base (or lack thereof) within the organization. Referring to Favre’s interceptions, Childress said, “It still goes back to taking care of the football. You can’t throw it to them. They have to play within the confines of our system … you can’t give seven points going the other way, not in a game like this.” Really, Chilly? Two reactions: 1) Duh. 2) Do you really want to call out one of the great media manipulators of our time at this tenuous juncture in your coaching career?
Some in the Vikings facility speculated before last Sunday’s victory over the Cowboys that a defeat could have led to Childress’ dismissal, with highly regarded defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier installed as the interim coach. It’s certainly possible that those rumors were unfounded, but it makes me wonder what might go down if the Vikes lose to the Patriots at Gillette Stadium next Sunday to fall to 2-5, especially in light of Childress’ obvious frustration with his highly compensated quarterback after the game. Later in his news conference, Childress was asked if Favre’s interceptions were forced passes. “Yeah,” he answered, “the one to Bishop, I’d have to look at that, ‘cause I’d like to know where we’re going with the football, ‘cause I believe the play was designed to go to the other side and I think Percy’s standing there in big air, so not sure why we’re looking at the left-hand side …” Favre resisted the urge to fire back in his postgame news conference, but that could change when he sees his coach’s comments in print and decides how to proceed. It will also be interesting to see what Wilf’s take on all of this is. It’s going to be a very interesting week at Winter Park.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_yl...ilver_diatribe

Oh please lord, let this be true. If we can get rid of Chilli, even in mid-season (which never works), I would be oh so happy!!

[KTown]

Originally Posted by Pagal4321

No, once the call of a touchdown is made it supercedes anything else. Why would they sort out a fumble if it's already been ruled a touchdown? After the signal was made that it's a touchdown, the whistle is blown and the play is dead.

A rule is a rule that is totally understandable.

The problem is when the game is this close and the game is on the line near the end of the game the officials shouldn't panic and call it a touchdown right away especially when it's close. The other officials should have tried to recover the mess. I also believe the fact that francis came up with the ball in his hand is proof to me that the dolphins had it. It's over now, I just think that the NFL is a multidollarbusiness and they need to find a better way of correcting these mistakes. Being the richest league in North America they should be able to inovate ways to make instant replay better to make it better for all fans. All I want is the right call and obviously there is a flaw in the rule book.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by KTown

A rule is a rule that is totally understandable.

The problem is when the game is this close and the game is on the line near the end of the game the officials shouldn't panic and call it a touchdown right away especially when it's close. The other officials should have tried to recover the mess. I also believe the fact that francis came up with the ball in his hand is proof to me that the dolphins had it. It's over now, I just think that the NFL is a multidollarbusiness and they need to find a better way of correcting these mistakes. Being the richest league in North America they should be able to inovate ways to make instant replay better to make it better for all fans. All I want is the right call and obviously there is a flaw in the rule book.

multidollarbusiness? heh

The next innovative way to make instant replay better will be 3D!
Dolphins: We got the ball, we got your ball right here!!

[Pagal4321]

Originally Posted by KTown

A rule is a rule that is totally understandable.

The problem is when the game is this close and the game is on the line near the end of the game the officials shouldn't panic and call it a touchdown right away especially when it's close. The other officials should have tried to recover the mess. I also believe the fact that francis came up with the ball in his hand is proof to me that the dolphins had it. It's over now, I just think that the NFL is a multidollarbusiness and they need to find a better way of correcting these mistakes. Being the richest league in North America they should be able to inovate ways to make instant replay better to make it better for all fans. All I want is the right call and obviously there is a flaw in the rule book.

And I totally agree, the first official should never have signaled for a touchdown SO quickly.

[KTown]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

multidollarbusiness? heh

The next innovative way to make instant replay better will be 3D!
Dolphins: We got the ball, we got your ball right here!!

Well true it is a multidollar business, I could havee thrown multibilliondollar industry in there but its more fun this way

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

They need to use replay still but they have to punish refs who make such obvious mistakes even with replay. If fact use replay as a tool to punish refs.

Thats completely the wrong way to approach it and will only cause more problems. Finger pointing and blaming, only creates animosity and never fixes problems. It just makes certain people feel empowered to reem out a subordinate. It should be used as a correction tool to minimize future errors, and re-inforce how to handle these types of situtations.

IMO the rich boys club that is NFL owners need to get off their fat wallets and make a much more significant investment in officiating. These guys should be like players in the film room all week reviewing game tapes from past games on Monday and Tuesday, than preparing for their next game over the course of the week. You need what, 16 head referees earning a salary of say $500 to 750 grand a year and than the rest of the crew between $200 and 350 based on experience. In the grand scheme of the NFL it would be peanuts and take away their excuse that they need to make a living on the side with the current pay rates.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Thats completely the wrong way to approach it and will only cause more problems. Finger pointing and blaming, only creates animosity and never fixes problems. It just makes certain people feel empowered to reem out a subordinate. It should be used as a correction tool to minimize future errors, and re-inforce how to handle these types of situtations.

IMO the rich boys club that is NFL owners need to get off their fat wallets and make a much more significant investment in officiating. These guys should be like players in the film room all week reviewing game tapes from past games on Monday and Tuesday, than preparing for their next game over the course of the week. You need what, 16 head referees earning a salary of say $500 to 750 grand a year and than the rest of the crew between $200 and 350 based on experience. In the grand scheme of the NFL it would be peanuts and take away their excuse that they need to make a living on the side with the current pay rates.

I agree with all this. I mean use replay as a tool to punish refs internally. The media doesn't have to know everything.

Like today, Childress going to the media and says the league told him the call was wrong. That's not professional.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Thats completely the wrong way to approach it and will only cause more problems. Finger pointing and blaming, only creates animosity and never fixes problems. It just makes certain people feel empowered to reem out a subordinate. It should be used as a correction tool to minimize future errors, and re-inforce how to handle these types of situtations.

IMO the rich boys club that is NFL owners need to get off their fat wallets and make a much more significant investment in officiating. These guys should be like players in the film room all week reviewing game tapes from past games on Monday and Tuesday, than preparing for their next game over the course of the week. You need what, 16 head referees earning a salary of say $500 to 750 grand a year and than the rest of the crew between $200 and 350 based on experience. In the grand scheme of the NFL it would be peanuts and take away their excuse that they need to make a living on the side with the current pay rates.

I don't know about paying refs $750k, but they should certainly be full time employees as opposed to the current situation.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

I agree with all this. I mean use replay as a tool to punish refs internally. The media doesn't have to know everything.

Like today, Childress going to the media and says the league told him the call was wrong. That's not professional.

There's nothing wrong with Childress doing that, he has to worry about his situation, not whether or not it makes the zebras look bad. If the NFL doesn't want that stuff getting out they shouldn't tell anyone but the officials involved.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by valo403

There's nothing wrong with Childress doing that, he has to worry about his situation, not whether or not it makes the zebras look bad. If the NFL doesn't want that stuff getting out they shouldn't tell anyone but the officials involved.

What's his situation? Did they lose because of that?
The NFL apologized, that should be good enough. Nod and grunt and more on to the next game.

Don't run to the media and go hey hey hey hey, they were wong! see see see?

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

What's his situation? Did they lose because of that?
The NFL apologized, that should be good enough. Nod and grunt and more on to the next game.

Don't run to the media and go hey hey hey hey, they were wong! see see see?

It took a TD off the board and they kicked a FG instead.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

What's his situation? Did they lose because of that?
The NFL apologized, that should be good enough. Nod and grunt and more on to the next game.

Don't run to the media and go hey hey hey hey, they were wong! see see see?

What's his situation? The executioner has the axe to his neck. Being able to say they got jobbed out of points buys him a fraction of an inch of breathing room. It shouldn't matter, but to some people it will.

Again, if the NFL doesn't want it out they shouldn't let it out.

[Bobblehead]

49ers announced Troy Smith will start against the Broncos.

They might just as well cut David Carr right now.

[Erick Estrada]

Interesting post by Don Banks at cnnsi.com. I also noticed this as well watching the game:

Here's what no one seems to be talking about regarding Brett Favre's ankle: How is it No. 4 was able to do his running and jumping crazy-man celebration thing after he thought he threw that game-winning touchdown pass to Percy Harvin in the final seconds, but then he could barely walk up the tunnel moments later? Just sayin'.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...#ixzz13aJDDOi7

I noticed that while slightly limping he looked pretty able on the foot until the very end of the game where he 'flick of the switch' looked completely crippled walking off the field.