Another interesting twist to yesterdays game in Miami pertaining to the head referee.
Steratore, by the way, was born in Washington, PA., which is 30 miles outside of Pittsburgh. He still lives and has a business in the region."
I am not one for conspiracy's so I don't believe it, but tell me why would the NFL put a guy who grew up in that area and still lives there and owns a businessthere, reffing a Steelers game? There are 12-15 other games every week that he could be reffing. It doesn't make sense to me why the NFL doesn't screen for this eventhough it may mean nothing it avoids all possibilities of people and players questioning these things.
I've been saying this on my CFB board since the UF LSU game.
Instant replay in CFB and NFL needs to be put to death. It causes the officials to make bad calls knowing the safety blanket of the instant replay is there. The officials in the UF vs LSU game were scared to call it a forward pass thus making the replay worthless with no "indisputable" evidence. Look at the Auburn VS Arkansas game two weeks ago.
Auburn RB clearly fumbled the ball before going into the end zone and every single official ruled it a FUMBLE except the official that makes the call came up and said it was ruled a TD. Then on to the replay, there isn't "indisputable" evidence that he fumbled the ball before he went into the endzone... But it did show not a single official calling for a TD but everyone one including the back judge and line judge threw the bean bag for a FUMBLE.
It's pathetic, they use the replay as a blanket to make calls. Get rid of the instant replay.
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I've been saying this on my CFB board since the UF LSU game.
Instant replay in CFB and NFL needs to be put to death. It causes the officials to make bad calls knowing the safety blanket of the instant replay is there. The officials in the UF vs LSU game were scared to call it a forward pass thus making the replay worthless with no "indisputable" evidence. Look at the Auburn VS Arkansas game two weeks ago.
Auburn RB clearly fumbled the ball before going into the end zone and every single official ruled it a FUMBLE except the official that makes the call came up and said it was ruled a TD. Then on to the replay, there isn't "indisputable" evidence that he fumbled the ball before he went into the endzone... But it did show not a single official calling for a TD but everyone one including the back judge and line judge threw the bean bag for a FUMBLE.
It's pathetic, they use the replay as a blanket to make calls. Get rid of the instant replay.
/rant
I don't see how that's the case at all. Are you suggesting without instant reply the officials would have ruled differently? I think they make the best call they can given their limitations as human beings. How does having instant replay change that?
Another interesting twist to yesterdays game in Miami pertaining to the head referee.
Steratore, by the way, was born in Washington, PA., which is 30 miles outside of Pittsburgh. He still lives and has a business in the region."
I am not one for conspiracy's so I don't believe it, but tell me why would the NFL put a guy who grew up in that area and still lives there and owns a businessthere, reffing a Steelers game? There are 12-15 other games every week that he could be reffing. It doesn't make sense to me why the NFL doesn't screen for this eventhough it may mean nothing it avoids all possibilities of people and players questioning these things.
Oh give it a rest, Steratore made the right call based on the NFL Rulebook. You SHOULD have a problem with the official who called it a touchdown in the first place because that's what caused this whole mess.
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I've been saying this on my CFB board since the UF LSU game.
Instant replay in CFB and NFL needs to be put to death. It causes the officials to make bad calls knowing the safety blanket of the instant replay is there. The officials in the UF vs LSU game were scared to call it a forward pass thus making the replay worthless with no "indisputable" evidence. Look at the Auburn VS Arkansas game two weeks ago.
Auburn RB clearly fumbled the ball before going into the end zone and every single official ruled it a FUMBLE except the official that makes the call came up and said it was ruled a TD. Then on to the replay, there isn't "indisputable" evidence that he fumbled the ball before he went into the endzone... But it did show not a single official calling for a TD but everyone one including the back judge and line judge threw the bean bag for a FUMBLE.
It's pathetic, they use the replay as a blanket to make calls. Get rid of the instant replay.
/rant
I agree somewhat that it does take the accountability away from refs and they get a free ride but there are just too many mistakes and too many close calls impossible for refs to make. I do support using technology to help refs. It's really frustrating to watch sports like soccer and baseball where the entire world knows what happened and nobody can help the ref/ump. Do you think that if there was no replay the refs wouldn't have made these calls? They're not purposely being bad, they're just bad!
Without replay, Pittsburgh would have had a TD and Minnesota would have had a game winning touchdown when both of Harvin's feet were out of bounds.
They need to use replay still but they have to punish refs who make such obvious mistakes even with replay. If fact use replay as a tool to punish refs.
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The only issue I have with NFL instant replay is allowing the on-field referee make the final decision based on what he sees. Even if it is unintentional, there is a chance, or at least an impression that the call that his team, or he himself made influencing his decision. C.Y.A.
Oh give it a rest, Steratore made the right call based on the NFL Rulebook. You SHOULD have a problem with the official who called it a touchdown in the first place because that's what caused this whole mess.
No, actually the problem is with Steratore bolting off to signal touchdown to the cameras instead of sticking around the pile to sort out who made the recovery. The initial call of touchdown doesn't matter of they actually took the step of establishing who recovered on the field as they are supposed to.
I've been saying this on my CFB board since the UF LSU game.
Instant replay in CFB and NFL needs to be put to death. It causes the officials to make bad calls knowing the safety blanket of the instant replay is there. The officials in the UF vs LSU game were scared to call it a forward pass thus making the replay worthless with no "indisputable" evidence. Look at the Auburn VS Arkansas game two weeks ago.
Auburn RB clearly fumbled the ball before going into the end zone and every single official ruled it a FUMBLE except the official that makes the call came up and said it was ruled a TD. Then on to the replay, there isn't "indisputable" evidence that he fumbled the ball before he went into the endzone... But it did show not a single official calling for a TD but everyone one including the back judge and line judge threw the bean bag for a FUMBLE.
It's pathetic, they use the replay as a blanket to make calls. Get rid of the instant replay.
/rant
So you'd rather see a handful of mistakes that are at best arguably due to the presence of replay replaced by tons of blown calls that could have been corrected by replay?
No, actually the problem is with Steratore bolting off to signal touchdown to the cameras instead of sticking around the pile to sort out who made the recovery. The initial call of touchdown doesn't matter of they actually took the step of establishing who recovered on the field as they are supposed to.
But once the linesman signals touchdown and whistles go off the play is over. The ref trusts his linesman so he signals touchdown for everyone to see. The ump at the back of the endzone also sees the linesman signal TD so he doesn't care anymore. The Steelers are no longer fighting for the ball and the Dolphins just happened to pick up the ball cause it was there!
The linesman had the WORSE angle to make the call, he just assumed Ben made it and that's wrong. Even in slow-motion replay at his angle we couldn't see anything. The clear angle of Ben fumbling was the camera at the goalpost.
I can't see a solution to this unless you allow dogpiles after the whistle.
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No, actually the problem is with Steratore bolting off to signal touchdown to the cameras instead of sticking around the pile to sort out who made the recovery. The initial call of touchdown doesn't matter of they actually took the step of establishing who recovered on the field as they are supposed to.
No, once the call of a touchdown is made it supercedes anything else. Why would they sort out a fumble if it's already been ruled a touchdown? After the signal was made that it's a touchdown, the whistle is blown and the play is dead.
At least they admit it unlike the CFL's typical denial. It's unfortunate but this type of thing is going to happen with all the grey area in some of the end zone posession rules. The Lions got jobbed earlier in the season as well when an obvious TD was called back. Replay does get it right more than not which is the main part. How many calls were correctly overturned on Sunday? Lots but you only hear about the single one they got wrong.
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No, actually the problem is with Steratore bolting off to signal touchdown to the cameras instead of sticking around the pile to sort out who made the recovery. The initial call of touchdown doesn't matter of they actually took the step of establishing who recovered on the field as they are supposed to.
You can't expect the ref to anticipate that the Dolphins are going to contest the call therefore making who recovered the fumble a point of interest. The line judge signaled touchdown, the rest doesn't matter UNTIL the Dolphins threw the challenge flag.
Dolphins' fans can cry foul, but the call was by the book.
But once the linesman signals touchdown and whistles go off the play is over. The ref trusts his linesman so he signals touchdown for everyone to see. The ump at the back of the endzone also sees the linesman signal TD so he doesn't care anymore. The Steelers are no longer fighting for the ball and the Dolphins just happened to pick up the ball cause it was there!
The linesman had the WORSE angle to make the call, he just assumed Ben made it and that's wrong. Even in slow-motion replay at his angle we couldn't see anything. The clear angle of Ben fumbling was the camera at the goalpost.
I can't see a solution to this unless you allow dogpiles after the whistle.
Nope, when there's a loose ball like that the officials are supposed to stay involved because of the potential for situations like this to arise. They didn't.
You can't expect the ref to anticipate that the Dolphins are going to contest the call therefore making who recovered the fumble a point of interest. The line judge signaled touchdown, the rest doesn't matter UNTIL the Dolphins threw the challenge flag.
Dolphins' fans can cry foul, but the call was by the book.
Nope, when there's a loose ball like that the officials are supposed to stay involved because of the potential for situations like this to arise. They didn't.
Not if a touchdown is called, that supercedes everything.
The refs are supposed to anticipate that the coaches will challenge a play? Really? So anytime there is a close play, the whistle is blown and the play is dead, the ref should let things continue until ball possession, a score, etc., is determined just in case the coach decides to challenge the play?
I always thought the ref was supposed to (a) make a call himself, (b) consult with the other refs to determine a call, (c) inform the crowd of a call and (d) interpret the rules of the game. I had no idea reading the coaches minds was part of it.
I think all the officials dropped the ball. Steratore has no choice though. He's way behind the play at around the 10 yard line so he can't see anything. The linesman signals touchdown convincingly (Steratore even confirmed it with him before going to the cameras) and the other officials didn't care who recovered the fumble.
What's Steratore to do?
The first replay, the angle of the linesman, you can't see anything!
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