Your belief about September, 11th, 2001

[SeeBass]

Originally Posted by Kybosh

That one moment proved that Bush had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks. He was in complete and utter shock but I don't think that was a stain on his image.

I would think that he did nothing rather than lead was not a good image to potray.

It was used against him in the next campaign all the time. If the democrats had any campaign skills at all they should have expoited it better.

[SeeBass]

Originally Posted by pylon

I have always wondered that myself. I have always wanted a journalist to ask him the question. "What went through your mind at that moment?" You can see the gears turning and you can tell that he can't wait to get his butt out of there, but as the leader of the worlds biggest super power, you gotta wonder what is really going through the mans mind, like him or not.

Exactly my point I cant believe that show of complete incompetance was relected.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by ynwa03

Yes let's compare gravity to 9/11. Brilliant.
I thought in a democratic society the government is accountable to the people. Shouldn't the government be giving solid proof of their story instead of making it unbelievably easy for anyone to think up a conspiracy theory about every aspect of what happened that day? If a plane hits the Pentagon, can they not show ONE frame of video showing a plane in plain view of the building? That's all it really takes and 90% of people can be silenced. Instead we get a few lousy frames of video showing god knows what exploding into the building.

I guess the conspirators got caught in traffic and weren't there with a high definition camcorder.

I also forgot that the Blackbox records high def video of a first person perspective of the plane crashing into the building.

But the fact is that the only camera's at the pentagon that were in position were slow frame per minute security camera's so of course a plane traveling at god knows what is going to look like a blur.

It wouldn't matter if the picture was clear as day some conspiracy theory wackjob would clam it was photoshop and that if you squint enough you can see the strings and the model plane bouncing off of the hand painted background.

[metallicat]

Originally Posted by SeeBass

If this whole thing was an inside job run by Bush and company do you not think that Bush could have been in a better chosen spot when it all broke out.

Perhaps in the Oval Office or Situation room rather than the brutal appearance of complete incompetance sitting reading a book about a turtle to children and continuing to read when he found out.

That moment was a horrible stain on his image. He would have scored huge points if it appeared he was always on guard for america. They would have not let that opportunity go.

His approval rating was the highest ever for a President following 9/11. I suppose his image today might be tainted because of that reaction, but it certainly wasn't back then. It's pretty easy to slam the guy for just sitting there, but nobody knows how they'd react if they were put in his shoes that day. I'm not a truther, thus I don't believe he knew anything about it, so I really can't find fault in his reaction. Was he supposed to jump up and run out of the room, scaring the kids and the nation half to death?

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by SeeBass

Exactly my point I cant believe that show of complete incompetance was relected.

It is amazing that either of cannot out think Michael Moore.

Lets have a go.

Why did he not jump up tear off his office attire and jump into the air and rush off to the rescue?....hmmm....

Lets have a think....
A President doesn't go where he wants to. His travel plans are planned in advance to the minute detail by his security.

He is in a elementary school that has been scoped for a month in advance to make it extremely secure. That include snipers and a swat team and security in the building that probably outnumbered the teaching staff.

As the President is reading a story to the kids....BOOM! So who gets the info first? Security. Do they know what is going on? Probably not...but they must keep the President safe. They have him in a secure place so are NOT going to move him. They tell the President what has happened and that they are not sure what is going on other than that the planes have crashed into the towers.

Now here we go.... lets think.....

Bush could
1. Jump up screaming, scaring the bejeezuz out of the kids, and run from the room (The Superman moment) and not getting anywhere beyond the next room and really not get any more information.

or

2. Stay calm. Finish the story. Know that your staff is working on it and that you making a fuss is not going to make things better.


#2 seems more likely than Michael Moores' BS.

[CaptainCrunch]

I like option number 3

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by ynwa03

Yes let's compare gravity to 9/11. Brilliant.
I thought in a democratic society the government is accountable to the people. Shouldn't the government be giving solid proof of their story instead of making it unbelievably easy for anyone to think up a conspiracy theory about every aspect of what happened that day? If a plane hits the Pentagon, can they not show ONE frame of video showing a plane in plain view of the building? That's all it really takes and 90% of people can be silenced. Instead we get a few lousy frames of video showing god knows what exploding into the building.

Honestly, why don't you try to post your theories on JREF?'

The solid proof has been presented and is available to you in a million different ways. You simply choose to ignore the truth. How many people do you think are reading this right now and supporting your point of view? There is really no counter arguement to someone (like you) who chooses to ignore what is presented.

[Ice]

Originally Posted by pylon

I have always wondered that myself. I have always wanted a journalist to ask him the question. "What went through your mind at that moment?" You can see the gears turning and you can tell that he can't wait to get his butt out of there, but as the leader of the worlds biggest super power, you gotta wonder what is really going through the mans mind, like him or not.

The secret service was planning where to take him. His caravan was being put together for him to get out of there. He was in a room of kids, and I know adults who were terrified at what we were seeing, it was important that nobody in the administration scared the kids in that room. There was a journalist who asked a question as he was leaving, something along the lines of "do you know the world trade center has been attacked?" His response was something like "not now." You don't ask a question like that in a room filled with 7 year olds.

I'm sure his mind was spinning, as everyone's was. I think he got out of there as soon as he could without creating a chaotic scene. I think Bush made a lot of mistakes, but when people focus on him not getting up right away and running out of there, I think its silly. In the big picture, nothing that day was worse because he spent an extra five minutes with those kids and leaving as calmly as possible.

[CaptainCrunch]

Recently released photo of aircraft on final approach to the Pentagon

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

Honestly, why don't you try to post your theories on JREF?'

The solid proof has been presented and is available to you in a million different ways. You simply choose to ignore the truth. How many people do you think are reading this right now and supporting your point of view? There is really no counter arguement to someone (like you) who chooses to ignore what is presented.

[SeeBass]

Originally Posted by HOZ

It is amazing that either of cannot out think Michael Moore.

Lets have a go.

Why did he not jump up tear off his office attire and jump into the air and rush off to the rescue?....hmmm....

Lets have a think....
A President doesn't go where he wants to. His travel plans are planned in advance to the minute detail by his security.

He is in a elementary school that has been scoped for a month in advance to make it extremely secure. That include snipers and a swat team and security in the building that probably outnumbered the teaching staff.

As the President is reading a story to the kids....BOOM! So who gets the info first? Security. Do they know what is going on? Probably not...but they must keep the President safe. They have him in a secure place so are NOT going to move him. They tell the President what has happened and that they are not sure what is going on other than that the planes have crashed into the towers.

Now here we go.... lets think.....

Bush could
1. Jump up screaming, scaring the bejeezuz out of the kids, and run from the room (The Superman moment) and not getting anywhere beyond the next room and really not get any more information.

or

2. Stay calm. Finish the story. Know that your staff is working on it and that you making a fuss is not going to make things better.


#2 seems more likely than Michael Moores' BS.

Or you could try and use your head for a change and perhaps expect to see a president calmly stand up dismiss himself and get a complete breifing on the moment and be in touch with the heads of various security. Who the heck are you to know that he would not get more info from a complete briefing and heaven forbid a phone call to the heads of national defense. I did not realize that you are privy to such high end secret meetings, are you that blind in your beliefs that a whisper in a mans ear is the same as a full conversation especially during an attack. You again show the lack of clear thought.

Instead he sat there and did nothing. Seriously your country is under attack and he sits there. Only a fool thinks that is the right thing to do especially when the cameras are rolling. But according to you somebody has whispered in his ear so it must mean that everything is good. Dont worry everybody the president has had a one way conversation in front a room of children, the man is on it. What if they actually had to give an order to shoot down one of those planes or some other circumtance that could have happened seeing as we didnt know what was going to happen and they needed the presidents approval. You obviously didnt think of that did you. Of course you didnt consider that cause it doesnt fit into your narrative.


Yeah, either do nothing or run out of the room screaming. Those are the only two options. Are you really proud of that well thought out post.

Good rational thought buddy.

[SeeBass]

Originally Posted by Ice

The secret service was planning where to take him. His caravan was being put together for him to get out of there. He was in a room of kids, and I know adults who were terrified at what we were seeing, it was important that nobody in the administration scared the kids in that room. There was a journalist who asked a question as he was leaving, something along the lines of "do you know the world trade center has been attacked?" His response was something like "not now." You don't ask a question like that in a room filled with 7 year olds.

I'm sure his mind was spinning, as everyone's was. I think he got out of there as soon as he could without creating a chaotic scene. I think Bush made a lot of mistakes, but when people focus on him not getting up right away and running out of there, I think its silly. In the big picture, nothing that day was worse because he spent an extra five minutes with those kids and leaving as calmly as possible.

The kids in the room had no idea what was going on outside so your excuse not to scare them makes no sense.
He could have calmly left the room in 30 seconds with a big friendly goodbye wave they would be none the wiser, you know he has pros that pull him out of meetings all the time, a quick excuse me kids I need the president for a moment, would have worked too.
Why do people think that if he leaves a room in a calm manner it would be chaotic and scare children during an event they had no idea was happening at the time anyways.

[Pinner]

I always thought it was harsh to criticize Bush for acting normal in front of the children.

Do we know what he was told ? Seems unfair to judge his reaction without knowing what was said. Maybe they told him to act normal for 5 minutes while they get ready to move.

Maybe it was protocol to scramble some fighters under those circumstances ?

What difference would it have made if he left the class ASAP ?

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by SeeBass

Or you could try and use your head for a change and perhaps expect to see a president calmly stand up dismiss himself and get a complete breifing on the moment and be in touch with the heads of various security. Who the heck are you to know that he would not get more info from a complete briefing and heaven forbid a phone call to the heads of national defense. I did not realize that you are privy to such high end secret meetings, are you that blind in your beliefs that a whisper in a mans ear is the same as a full conversation especially during an attack. You again show the lack of clear thought.

Instead he sat there and did nothing. Seriously your country is under attack and he sits there. Only a fool thinks that is the right thing to do especially when the cameras are rolling. But according to you somebody has whispered in his ear so it must mean that everything is good. Dont worry everybody the president has had a one way conversation in front a room of children, the man is on it. What if they actually had to give an order to shoot down one of those planes or some other circumtance that could have happened seeing as we didnt know what was going to happen and they needed the presidents approval. You obviously didnt think of that did you. Of course you didnt consider that cause it doesnt fit into your narrative.


Yeah, either do nothing or run out of the room screaming. Those are the only two options. Are you really proud of that well thought out post.

Good rational thought buddy.

Originally Posted by SeeBass

The kids in the room had no idea what was going on outside so your excuse not to scare them makes no sense.
He could have calmly left the room in 30 seconds with a big friendly goodbye wave they would be none the wiser, you know he has pros that pull him out of meetings all the time, a quick excuse me kids I need the president for a moment, would have worked too.
Why do people think that if he leaves a room in a calm manner it would be chaotic and scare children during an event they had no idea was happening at the time anyways.

Now you sound like the truthers in this thread. You seem to believe everyone in that room knew everything all at once.

So what would have changed had Bush ripped open his shirt and gone "Superman"? What was it 1 minute? What would have changed in that minute?

I am really looking forward to this response!

[mikey_the_redneck]

There are many security cameras watching the Pentagon from all sides. The authorities decide to release the one that clearly shows nothing.....it is like they are trying to hide somthing.

And on top of that, the eye witness reports do not support the flight path or the speed of the plane that flew by the Pentagon.

[Roof-Daddy]

When Bush was told what had happened, he should have jumped to his feet and screamed "Oh my god! We're all going to die!!!" ala Scary Movie when what's his face tells the little kid that the teacher had died.

If keeping your cool in front of a room full of children warrants boatloads of criticism, imagine the outrage that response would have resulted in.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

If a scrambled jet was to shoot down a plane, the debris field would be spread over many miles, which in this case it wasn't. That is not to say that it was about to be shot down, case it has been reported that was what they were going to do. But it wasn't shot down

My own research has led me to believe that it was shot down. There was very little debris at the Shanksville site....

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

There are many security cameras watching the Pentagon from all sides. The authorities decide to release the one that clearly shows nothing.....it is like they are trying to hide somthing.

And on top of that, the eye witness reports do not support the flight path or the speed of the plane that flew by the Pentagon.

You know, I say this with much love, but you guys are fataing nuts, completely certifiable crazy. Why the fata would anyone bother to stage the Pentagon attack after the towers had already been hit????!!!! Was the attack on the WTC not fataing sufficient to line up everybody behind shooting up of the Middle East???!!! Needed to kill a few DoD bureaucrats to really piss off Joe America did they? Because that really put everyone over the edge - the average American was willing to let a couple thousand New Yorkers go, but once they went after Washington bureaucrats, the gloves were coming off...

[SportsJunky]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

There are many security cameras watching the Pentagon from all sides. The authorities decide to release the one that clearly shows nothing.....it is like they are trying to hide somthing.

And on top of that, the eye witness reports do not support the flight path or the speed of the plane that flew by the Pentagon.

Don't they show a plane? How is that "clearly shows nothing"?

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by Flabbibulin

My favorite things about the 9/11 conspiracy movement-

1/ a large number of them actually believe that the US government planned the attack, unnoticed for several years, a hundred yards away in building 7 of the WTC, which is why it had to be destroyed- all the incriminating paperwork and hard drives with detailed info implicating Bush and Cheney might have caused a spot of bother if found.

2/ Two of the biggest voices in the 9/11 truth movement are 20-somethings Dylan Avery and Jason Bermas, neither of which have a University education. Dylan Avery took 5 years to finish high school and was rejected from film school twice

3/ the famous 9/11 truth movement film "Loose Change" has been edited enough times to scare a goat- after all, changing the video became important as each specific point in the first and second cuts were debunked by experts.

There are many 9/11 whistle blowers, you just dont hear about them in the mainstream media.

Loose Change btw is the "beginners" guide to 9/11........I laugh at the idiots who think the whole movement is spearheaded by these young guys.

This article contains a TON of legitimate whistle blower quotes from military/intellegencr personnel all the way to 9/11 Commisssion members and demo experts.

http://www.infowars.com/the-911-whistleblowers/

Enjoy.