Common driving Laws that are rarely followed

[4X4]

Originally Posted by SeoulFire

I never once stated that I drive the speed limit nor that I drive in the left lane.

Must have you confused with someone else. Sorry about that.

[Pinner]

If they got rid of that yield sign and the lines on the road it would be much better.

I don't understand how that yield sign could relieve the responsibility of a safe lane change from the car in the center lane as the lines are painted now.

[puckluck]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Stang

A "yield lane"? Isn't that an oxymoron?

Maybe, but almost everything you have said in this thread has been wrong so I'll take a pass.

[FanIn80]

I think the thing you guys are missing here is that this shared entry/exit lane is very short, and the people exiting into that lane to get onto 16Ave don't have a lot of room. There have been a few times where I have had to put my breaks on because some ###### is racing along beside me trying to merge, and I'm running out of room to exit...

It is not a merge lane. It is a shared entry/exit lane, and there is about 13000000 miles of difference between the two concepts.

Right of way isn't just some fancy term. It's all about traffic flow, and understanding how right of way works is almost more important than any traffic sign out there. If you don't get the concept of right of way, you should stay off the road. It's really that simple.

[Barnes]

Originally Posted by HOOT

Just be careful last week down in Seattle I did this to a Prius and it was an undercover cop. He didn't pull me over but flashed his lights.

Haha. Are you sure it wasn't a Meter Maid.

[Pinner]

Originally Posted by puckluck

They own the lane and you are trying to borrow it.

Which lane do they "own"

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Stang

OK Mr. Lawyer Man, how far up the road does the middle lane have exclusive rights to the right lane? If approach the yield and yield to the people in the lane beside me ( ) and some d-bag comes alongside halfway down that lane and changes lanes into the side of my car. Would I be at fault? Is it any different than if it happened closer to the yield?

Once you are established in the lane, then the situation changes - it's now the other party who would be at fault. But if you proceed from the yield and someone moves over to the right at approximately the same time, you are at fault....

[SeoulFire]

Originally Posted by 4X4

Must have you confused with someone else. Sorry about that.

Probably not. I just don't take the stance that it is my right to go as fast as I want and everybody should get the hell out of my way. Also as somebody who has had close ones seriously injured due to tailgating jacktards, I hope those that do so don't have to injure or kill somebody before realizing how monumentally stupid (and dangerous) they are being.

[puckluck]

Originally Posted by SeoulFire

Probably not. I just don't take the stance that it is my right to go as fast as I want and everybody should get the hell out of my way. Also as somebody who has had close ones seriously injured due to tailgating jacktards, I hope those that do so don't have to injure or kill somebody before realizing how monumentally stupid (and dangerous) they are being.

Someone going 100 in the left lane is a lot more dangerous and stupid than me and the 20 cars behind me going 120.

If you're going less than 115 in the left lane you deserve to be tailgated.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

Once you are established in the lane, then the situation changes - it's now the other party who would be at fault. But if you proceed from the yield and someone moves over to the right at approximately the same time, you are at fault....

Thanks for proving my point. At the locations we are talking about, if the centre lane can move over to the right, at that point the traffic in the right lane is established in that lane. The traffic in the right lane is always established in the lane, since there is no lines for them to cross.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by SeoulFire

Probably not. I just don't take the stance that it is my right to go as fast as I want and everybody should get the hell out of my way. Also as somebody who has had close ones seriously injured due to tailgating jacktards, I hope those that do so don't have to injure or kill somebody before realizing how monumentally stupid (and dangerous) they are being.

There is a fine line between being a jacktard and driving with the flow of traffic though. IMO it is unsafe to drive slower than to keep up with the rest of traffic (even if the flow of traffic is over the speed limit.) People who just putt along their merry way as everyone else passes them are being a danger too. Sorry that people close to you were injured due to a tailgater.

[4X4]

Originally Posted by SeoulFire

Probably not. I just don't take the stance that it is my right to go as fast as I want and everybody should get the hell out of my way. Also as somebody who has had close ones seriously injured due to tailgating jacktards, I hope those that do so don't have to injure or kill somebody before realizing how monumentally stupid (and dangerous) they are being.

Why wouldn't you just get the hell out of the way? Are you oblivious to the many cars you're holding up? Are you trying to be a dick?

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

Thanks for proving my point. At the locations we are talking about, if the centre lane can move over to the right, at that point the traffic in the right lane is established in that lane. The traffic in the right lane is always established in the lane, since there is no lines for them to cross.

"Established in the lane" is subjective - the further from the yield sign you are the more weight that argument has. Basically, you have to make sure nobody is moving to the right before you proceed from the yield sign.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

Once you are established in the lane, then the situation changes - it's now the other party who would be at fault. But if you proceed from the yield and someone moves over to the right at approximately the same time, you are at fault....

Exactly.

Situation 1

Car A on the right slows down and sees that no one on the left is signaling to turn into the exit lane, so he proceeds into the entry lane to enter onto northbound 52St. Suddenly, Car B in the left hand lane realizes he's about to miss his exit, and then changes lanes. Car A collides with Car B in the right hand lane.

Fault: Car B

Situation 2

Car A on the right doesn't slow down to check traffic on the left, and he proceeds into the entry lane to enter onto northbound 52St, treating the situation like a merge. Car B in the left hand lane had his signal light on and is proceeding into the exit lane with right of way, expecting Car A to yield. Car A collides with Car B in the right hand lane.

Fault: Car A

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Situation 2

Car A on the right doesn't slow down to check traffic on the left, and he proceeds into the entry lane to enter onto northbound 52St, treating the situation like a merge. Car B in the left hand lane had his signal light on and is proceeding into the exit lane with right of way, expecting Car A to yield. Car A collides with Car B in the right hand lane.

Fault: Car A

Except that the car on the left never has the right of way (to simply make a lane change to the right without making sure it is safe), as the car on the right a an open lane to drive in, and is "established in the lane". The car currently in a lane always has the right of way for that lane over a car that is entering that lane.

The yield sign in those locations is about as meaningful as a yield sign posted on the side of a four lane highway nowhere near an intersection. It simply does not mean anything.

[Knut]

When people do not signal their intentions while turning left from a two lane road.

eg on 14th street Northbound and 33rd Avenue SW. Every single day there is some dummy in the left lane that decides to turn left onto 33rd Ave without signaling (or signalling once the light changes). It is to the point where I Automatically get into the right lane to go through the intersection as inevitably one of the cars in the left lane, without a signal light on, will be turning left there.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

Except that the car on the left never has the right of way (to simply make a lane change to the right without making sure it is safe), as the car on the right a an open lane to drive in, and is "established in the lane". The car currently in a lane always has the right of way for that lane over a car that is entering that lane.

The yield sign in those locations is about as meaningful as a yield sign posted on the side of a four lane highway nowhere near an intersection. It simply does not mean anything.

You're missing the point that it's a shared exit/entry lane. It is not a merge lane.

The car on the left has right of way to exit into that lane, as it is an exit ramp onto 16Ave. You can tell who has the right of way, because only one guy has a yield sign.

It's not difficult to figure out here.


Edit: To make it even more clear... the lane is only about 50 feet long, with the south end being a entrance from 16Ave onto 52St, and the north being an exit off of 52St onto 16Ave. It's not a merge lane, nor is it an ongoing lane. It is a very small lane connecting and entrance ramp and an exit ramp.

There are lots of places like this in the city. Eastbound Glenmore exiting onto northbound Deerfoot is one. The people coming off southbound Deerfoot onto eastbound Glenmore have a yield sign, as the people exiting eastbound Glenmore to the ramp to northbound Deerfoot have the right away. That doesn't stop morons from ripping through the yield sign though, and causing 40 cars on eastbound Glenmore to slam on their brakes because they just cut someone off who was trying to exit onto Deerfoot.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

"Established in the lane" is subjective - the further from the yield sign you are the more weight that argument has. Basically, you have to make sure nobody is moving to the right before you proceed from the yield sign.

There's nothing subjective about it. There is a free lane for traffic to drive into , - they are always "established in the lane" from the time they turn into that lane before they even go under the bridge on 16th Ave.

There would have to be markings on the road that indicate the lane was ending if in fact that was the case.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

There's nothing subjective about it. There is a free lane for traffic to drive into , - they are always "established in the lane" from the time they turn into that lane before they even go under the bridge on 16th Ave.

There would have to be markings on the road that indicate the lane was ending if in fact that was the case.

You should stop arguing, since there is really no room for debate - as far the law is concerned, you are wrong. If you don't believe me, see what happens when you collide with someone there.

[Ducay]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

There's nothing subjective about it. There is a free lane for traffic to drive into , - they are always "established in the lane" from the time they turn into that lane before they even go under the bridge on 16th Ave.

There would have to be markings on the road that indicate the lane was ending if in fact that was the case.

So you can ignore the yield sign as long as you can drive fast enough to get into the lane and get 'established'?

Its a shared lane, there is a reason the exiters are given RoW.