Insight in Bryan Cameron

[Johnny Rotten]

Cameron's worth the risk-he's a proven goal scorer; something the Flames obviously don't have a lot of- and I hope he turns out well (i.e. Giordano, Wilson), but to say at 21 he's worth as much as an eighteen-year-old to picked in the second round in this year's draft, seems like a stretch to me.

Look at it this way, how many of you would trade him right now for a second round pick in this year's draft? I think I would.

[Muta]

I actually like the signing quite a bit. I just disagree with Sutter that his valuable was equatable to a 2nd round pick. If that's the case, he should have been drafted in the 2nd round. He wasn't. But I do agree that players can improve and get drafted higher, as was the case with Stoll and Lombardi.

He also wasn't deemed important enough to be signed by Los Angeles, so that's an interesting bit of news to point out as well. If they really believed he'd be a player, they'd have signed him.

I hope he goes the development route of Mark Giordano and to some extent Ryan Wilson, but he could also go the route of countless other prospects that couldn't cut it. But that's the risk you take, no matter who it is. That's the life of hockey.

[Vulcan]

Stoll and Lombardi were special cases as usually a player not signed by his drafted team is taken lower in the draft if at all. It can't be proven as collusion, but it's a way to keep draft choices in line. Edmonton broke ranks and drafted Stoll to put the screws to us so we responded by drafting Lombardi.

So following this line of reasoning, Cameron not being drafted on his second go round is pretty typical and not necessarily an indication of his worth.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Stoll and Lombardi were special cases as usually a player not signed by his drafted team is taken lower in the draft if at all. It can't be proven as collusion, but it's a way to keep draft choices in line. Edmonton broke ranks and drafted Stoll to put the screws to us so we responded by drafting Lombardi.

So following this line of reasoning, Cameron not being drafted on his second go round is pretty typical and not necessarily an indication of his worth.

True. However, he wasn't a 2nd round pick to begin with, and Los Angeles deemed it not important to sign him. At the same time, with Sutter signing him and comparing him to a 2nd rounder, he's elevating Cameron's orginial value from a 3rd round pick and signing him when the other team - a team that's likely scouted Cameron alot more than the Flames have - chose not to. Combine that with unspectacular scouting reports, this provides enough evidence in my mind that I disagree with Sutter's 2nd round assessment.

And I don't think Stoll was chosen by Edmonton to put the boots to Calgary. I think they chose him because he was a good player, and it just so happened to seem like it screwed Calgary.

[Mightyfire89]

It's low risk-potential high reward. Who really cares what Sutter said? When that guy makes any sort of comment to the media, it's always chock full of BS anyways. It's a meaningless argument over semantics.

God, we're bored. Can't wait for the draft.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Muta

He also wasn't deemed important enough to be signed by Los Angeles, so that's an interesting bit of news to point out as well. If they really believed he'd be a player, they'd have signed him.

Not necessarily. Sometimes a contract impasse can be reached if an agent or the player themself think they are worth a certain amount and the team offers below that.

We couldn't get Jarret Stoll signed, was it because Button didn't believe he'd be a player? Nope, it was because Button didn't want to pay him what he wanted.

Not saying that explains Cameron's case but the simple equation of not signed = don't believe he's a player, doesn't always hold true.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Not saying that explains Cameron's case but the simple equation of not signed = don't believe he's a player, doesn't always hold true.

Yes, but it can be reasoned that Los Angeles didn't believe he was worth the money he was asking for, which one can then use to assess LA's value on that player.

Cameron can still be a player, absolutely. Just because he wasn't signed by LA doesn't mean he won't be; but it sure shows LA wasn't interested in giving him what he was asking for. And they had him scouted for three years at the minimum. That says alot. Just because Sutter signed him doesn't mean that LA was wrong.

[Roof-Daddy]

Not necessarily. Sometimes a contract impasse can be reached if an agent or the player themself think they are worth a certain amount and the team offers below that.

We couldn't get Jarret Stoll signed, was it because Button didn't believe he'd be a player? Nope, it was because Button didn't want to pay him what he wanted.

Not saying that explains Cameron's case but the simple equation of not signed = don't believe he's a player, doesn't always hold true.

^^^ that, and the fact that LA since 2007 (the year they drafted Cameron) has drafted 29 players. They have no choice but to let some decent prospects go back into the draft or let them go via free agency.

[Flamesguy_SJ]

In his recent interview in the article on the main forum (the one about not trading top players), Sutter kind of clarifies what he meant when he referred to Cameron being a 2nd round pick:

As for the second round, Sutter figures he has recouped the missing pick through signing three overage juniors in Bryan Cameron, Christopher Breen and Carter Bancks.


“I really wanted to recover the second-rounder not by getting a pick but by getting the kids in junior and college,” he said. “And we did that.”

So it seems like he took the signing of Cameron, Breen, and Bancks to have covered the missing second rounder; not solely Cameron. I kind of agree; those kids are probably just as likely to make it to the NHL as any other player the Flames would have selected in the 2nd round.

[Patrick]

I dont understand people sometimes.

Sutter takes gambles once in a while yes..some payoff and some dont. For example - Bourque for a 2nd round pick (win) but youll have people saying we need that 2nd round pick.

At the end of the day, I hope Sutter keeps signing these types of free agents. Best case, they continue to develop and play in the NHL< worst case is they strengthen our AHL team.

[MissTeeks]

Rob Kerr has an interview with Bryan Cameron that was posted on the Flames website yesterday.

http://flames.nhl.com/club/podcastbrowser.htm

Also has interviews with Chris Breen and Lance Bouma.

[Yrebmi]

Originally Posted by fotze

I'm sorry, but that description of infant carehat amount is the absolute definition of not having a life. I should know.

Not to pick on you Fotze, but I respectfully dissagree. That is the very deffinition of having a life. A small life in your care. The world is so off kilter to popularly think that unless you are single/partying every weekend you do not truely live.
Nightlife and excitment make for better movie material, but family and home make for better living.

PS. sorry for cont. the off topic stuff. Kootos to Flames for this signing.

[Cactus Jack]

Time will tell with Cameron, I doubt he makes the team outright but you'd hope he'd be good enough to see a few games in the bigs due to injury.

Originally Posted by Jables16

Hey, leave the guy alone. He's probably spending that time being the GM of his NHL 10 league so he can feel qualified to assess the merits of actual NHL GMs. That's what we in the biz call "due dilligence" and I for one admire his dedication.

What's hilarious is that I've never spent a second playing GM mode but you seem to know an awful lot about it. I love how "I tried to gather options on CP on how to fix my broken PS3" equates to "I play Playstation non-stop."

[jeremywilhelm]

Originally Posted by Cactus Jack

Time will tell with Cameron, I doubt he makes the team outright but you'd hope he'd be good enough to see a few games in the bigs due to injury.



What's hilarious is that I've never spent a second playing GM mode but you seem to know an awful lot about it. I love how "I tried to gather options on CP on how to fix my broken PS3" equates to "I play Playstation non-stop."

Relax, let your hair down.

You are wound so tight I can hear your fingers slamming into your keyboards from all the way over here.

[theg69]

Just happened to browse some threads cuz its the off-season.

I must say, this is quite amusing. Only in a hockey-mad fan forum are arguments sprung from a very low key free-agent signing.

Seriously, who the heck cares if he "will truly be worth a second-rounder". I don't think anyone is qualified to argue that right now until we see how he is a few years down the line.

Now to settle this, my view is he "will be truly worth a second-rounder", because he will likely be no better than our 2nd rounder in 1985 (Joe Nieuwendyk), and really, he cannot be any worse than our 2nd rounder in 2003 (Tim Ramholt).... LOL

[Cactus Jack]

Originally Posted by jeremywilhelm

Relax, let your hair down.

You are wound so tight I can hear your fingers slamming into your keyboards from all the way over here.

I'll be a bigger man and walk away from this thread, that should give you time to go back to playing Be a GM mode all day.

[Ren]

Originally Posted by Cactus Jack

I'll be a bigger man and walk away from this thread, that should give you time to go back to playing Be a GM mode all day.

The bigger man probably wouldn't have said anything at all. This is just a thinly veiled attempt to get the last shot in.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by theg69

Now to settle this, my view is he "will be truly worth a second-rounder", because he will likely be no better than our 2nd rounder in 1985 (Joe Nieuwendyk), and really, he cannot be any worse than our 2nd rounder in 2003 (Tim Ramholt).... LOL

Well I can all but guarantee Cameron will be better than the Flames 2002 2nd round pick of Brian McConnel. That was an awful draft pick.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Ren

The bigger man probably wouldn't have said anything at all. This is just a thinly veiled attempt to get the last shot in.

Yeah, I'd say he's being the bigger something....but bigger man is the last thought that comes to mind. Either way I'll be happy to see him leave this thread!

[jeremywilhelm]

Originally Posted by Ren

The bigger man probably wouldn't have said anything at all. This is just a thinly veiled attempt to get the last shot in.

Well he was only telling the truth. I DO play alot of GM mode. Although I'm not sure what that has to do with the price of eggs in china.