Weed Identification?

[burn_baby_burn]

It looks like Creeping Bellflower or Garden Bluebell. From what I can tell by the pictures it fits the description.

First true leaves are broadly ovate to heart-shaped. Both the leaf blades and petioles are hairy.

Creeping bellflower escapes from gardens and tends to choke out flower beds and creep into lawns. In addition to propagation by seed, it has persistent, fleshy rhizomes and storage tubers, making this an extremely difficult weed to eradicate. Young plants growing from the rhizomes are stemless. The leaves are heart-shaped with fine, irregular toothing and long petioles.

[burn_baby_burn]

Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

I think it's Bindweed.

Check out the designation chart for Calgary:

http://content.calgary.ca/CCA/City+H...tion+Chart.htm

Its definately not Field Bindweed.

[Prototype]

I'm no expert, but it looks like Pinapple Express to me.

//Yeah, another pot joke.

[Ducay]

Originally Posted by burn_baby_burn

It looks like Creeping Bellflower or Garden Bluebell. From what I can tell by the pictures it fits the description.

Hmmm, Creeping bellflower is looking like that may be it. Trying to figure out the best eradication plan.

Step 1 is going to be digging in edging that separates my yard from the source.

[burn_baby_burn]

Try hitting it with a broad leaf herbicide like Weed Out from your home and garden store. I think it has mecoprop, dicamba, and either MCPA or 24D. It won't kill it, but it should suppress it enough to let your lawn become more competitive.

Creeping perennials are very tough to control. Usually only a non selective herbicide such as glyphosate (Roundup) will completely control it. Down side is, it kills everything. If it is only along the fence, I would spray it with Roundup in the fall. Then cut out the sod and replace it in the spring or later in the fall.

I'm going to be doing the same thing with some quack grass in my yard.

[amorak]

Kill it with fire

[Ducay]

Originally Posted by burn_baby_burn

Try hitting it with a broad leaf herbicide like Weed Out from your home and garden store. I think it has mecoprop, dicamba, and either MCPA or 24D. It won't kill it, but it should suppress it enough to let your lawn become more competitive.

Creeping perennials are very tough to control. Usually only a non selective herbicide such as glyphosate (Roundup) will completely control it. Down side is, it kills everything. If it is only along the fence, I would spray it with Roundup in the fall. Then cut out the sod and replace it in the spring or later in the fall.

I'm going to be doing the same thing with some quack grass in my yard.

Ya, luckily its only starting to intrude into the lawn, so I'll try spot hitting those with a sponge.
The majority is coming in along a fence, so I'm planning on hitting those with a decent strength Roundup (2% glyphosate).

Hopefully once I get the barrier in the ground I will be able to get rid of it by being consistent with digging out any I come across, and applying the glyphosate to the ones that aren't in the lawn.

[Bill Bumface]

I've got some of this creeping in and I've noticed it tends to stay greener than the grass. Maybe I'll just let it take over?

It looks like the bellflower we have in our planter... It does move pretty quick, but looks really pretty when it blooms.

[Ducay]

Originally Posted by hulkrogan

I've got some of this creeping in and I've noticed it tends to stay greener than the grass. Maybe I'll just let it take over?

The problem with that plan is this:

Originally Posted by Puxlut

It looks like the bellflower we have in our planter... It does move pretty quick, but looks really pretty when it blooms.

If its the same stuff, youll soon have 1' tall bellflowers in your grass. Its one thing to have clover in your grass......

I picked up some concentrated Roundup and used a mix in my garden spray to mist it onto all the weeds (even put a bit on the ones on the edge of my grass! burn!!!)

The stuff I hit with a herbicide a few days ago looks like it was starting to yellow; which bodes well for the roundup getting the job done. I just wonder how well the roundup transports itself down to the big rhizomes.

[redforever]

[QUOTE=Ducay;2537369]The problem with that plan is this:





If its the same stuff, youll soon have 1' tall bellflowers in your grass. Its one thing to have clover in your grass......

I picked up some concentrated Roundup and used a mix in my garden spray to mist it onto all the weeds (even put a bit on the ones on the edge of my grass! burn!!!)

The stuff I hit with a herbicide a few days ago looks like it was starting to yellow; which bodes well for the roundup getting the job done. I just wonder how well the roundup transports itself down to the big rhizomes.[/QUOTE]

At this time of year, very well, because the plants are in their most active growing phase. And it is always best to spray early in the morning too.

In the middle of summer, during a hot spell, not so well. Plants protect themselves during prolonged hot spells by closing their pores.

[Berger_4_]

Yeah as soon as it gets above 28-30 degrees celcius, plant shut down. Spray when it's cool and NOT windy for best results.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Berger_4_

Yeah as soon as it gets above 28-30 degrees celcius, plant shut down. Spray when it's cool and windy for best results.

Are you crazy? Never spray Round-Up when it's windy.

[Berger_4_]

Sorry, I have no idea why I put windy. I meant not windy. I feel much, much shame.

[burn_baby_burn]

Actually the best time to spray glyphosate on perennials is in the early fall (September before a killing frost). When the temperature starts getting close to freezing at night the plant will start to store nutrients for the winter. If you spray glyphosate at this time it will transfer down to the rhizomes killing that as well. That is what Monsanto and other glyphosate manufactures recommend to farmers to control perennials such as quack grass and Canada thistle in their fields.

[Buckwheat's barber]

Originally Posted by burn_baby_burn

Try hitting it with a broad leaf herbicide like Weed Out from your home and garden store. I think it has mecoprop, dicamba, and either MCPA or 24D. It won't kill it, but it should suppress it enough to let your lawn become more competitive.

Creeping perennials are very tough to control. Usually only a non selective herbicide such as glyphosate (Roundup) will completely control it. Down side is, it kills everything. If it is only along the fence, I would spray it with Roundup in the fall. Then cut out the sod and replace it in the spring or later in the fall.

I'm going to be doing the same thing with some quack grass in my yard.

I don't mean to pick on your post, but a couple of points you made got my attention. With the exception of 24d, the chemicals you mention, mecoprop, dicamba and MCPA, will have no effect on creeping bellflower. Further to that, 24d's effect on the weed in question may only cause very slight damage, if any at all. As well, to suggest applying any of these chemicals to suppress or control creeping bellflower, is flat-out false.

Of interest, it should be noted that pesticides are are sometimes banned or restricted, outside of health and safety concerns. Other such reasons may include improper use, appliction, areas of use (too near or applied on aqautic settings or sensitive areas) and so on...

To sight a specific example of improper use of a chemical, Killex (24d, dicamba and mecoprop) was at one time (and may still very well be) the most widely used control of dandelions. Over time, the incorrect timing, dosage (for lack of a better word), concetration..., has caused dandelions, particularly in Alberta, to become more and more resistant to the active ingrediant, 24d. These dandelions, called "Safes", are now more commonly treated with Tryclopr, with varying degrees of success.

Something one may want to consider when establishing the best pesticide for the weed they are trying to control.

[Ducay]

Originally Posted by burn_baby_burn

Actually the best time to spray glyphosate on perennials is in the early fall (September before a killing frost). When the temperature starts getting close to freezing at night the plant will start to store nutrients for the winter. If you spray glyphosate at this time it will transfer down to the rhizomes killing that as well. That is what Monsanto and other glyphosate manufactures recommend to farmers to control perennials such as quack grass and Canada thistle in their fields.

Good to know, but if its still around come fall, i'll make a note to hit it again before it frosts.

[burn_baby_burn]

Originally Posted by Buckwheat's barber

I don't mean to pick on your post, but a couple of points you made got my attention. With the exception of 24d, the chemicals you mention, mecoprop, dicamba and MCPA, will have no effect on creeping bellflower. Further to that, 24d's effect on the weed in question may only cause very slight damage, if any at all. As well, to suggest applying any of these chemicals to suppress or control creeping bellflower, is flat-out false.

Your right, it isn't going to control it. I thought it would not hurt to try the above chemical because it can be bought anywhere and is inexpensive. Suppression is all I thought he might get out of it. A non selective herbicide is the only way to completely eradicate a creeping perennial, even then it must be used correctly to be completely effective.

[Ducay]

I believe there was a good amount of articles online that mentioned 24d's ineffectiveness on the bellflower, and most sites agreed with Burn and recommended a non-selective herbicide. I went with Glyphosate over others because it will be used near active plants and I didn't want residual effects in the soil/runoff.

[Eric Vail]

I have that plant in my flowerbeds, and occasionally it gets into my lawn. When a moved into my house a few years ago, it was everywhere. I didn't want to kill all the plants in my flowerbed by using a pesticide, so I declared war on the plant and picked every bit of it, roots included. It is still around, but not nearly as prevalent, and I continue to pick it and as much of the roots as I can get whenever I see it. It is known to my wife as my "enemy plant".

I suspect that to get rid of it completely would be a major big deal. I have managed to supress it so it is not taking over anything and just another weed that pops up in my flower beds.