2010 MLB Baseball thread..

[ipuckedyourmom]

Horrible call!!! The ump did admit his mistake which helps a little but in the end I really feel for Galarraga. Doubt it will happen but MLB should overturn the call.

[metallicat]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Some stuff coming out from Detroit

Right after the game:

Joyce said he didn't know if he would try to talk to Galarraga. "I don't know what to do. I just cost that kid a perfect game."

"Biggest call of my career, and I kicked the **** out of it."

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Then they meet.

Jim Joyce apologizes to Galarraga, Galarraga accepts, they hug. Class by Joyce, incredible class by the kid.

Quotes:

"That wasn't a call. That was a history call. And I missed it from here to this wall."

"I don't blame the Tigers for anything that was said. I don't blame one person a bit."

"If I were Galarraga, I would have been the first one in my face, and he didn't say a word to me."

That is nice to hear. Really nice.

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Some stuff coming out from Detroit

Right after the game:

Joyce said he didn't know if he would try to talk to Galarraga. "I don't know what to do. I just cost that kid a perfect game."

"Biggest call of my career, and I kicked the **** out of it."

---

Then they meet.

Jim Joyce apologizes to Galarraga, Galarraga accepts, they hug. Class by Joyce, incredible class by the kid.

Quotes:

"That wasn't a call. That was a history call. And I missed it from here to this wall."

"I don't blame the Tigers for anything that was said. I don't blame one person a bit."

"If I were Galarraga, I would have been the first one in my face, and he didn't say a word to me."

He seems pretty crummy about this.

Imagine that. '3' perfect games in one season that we're not even halfway through yet. Whom would've called for that?

I wonder if they will overturn the call to make it official. Despite whatever is done, this should defiantly bring in the replay system so things like this can be avoided.

[Dan02]

i got 50 bucks on tomorrow mornings sportscentre, top 10 being the top 10 blown calls, any takers?

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Joyce later met with Galarraga, who said, "He feels really bad, probably worse than me. "I give a lot of credit to that guy, to say he's sorry. I gave him a hug. His body English said more than the words. Nobody's perfect."

Joyce stopped pacing. He stood for a moment, listening to someone's reminder that far more heartbreaking mistakes are made by other people each day. He turned to head for the shower. And he broke down.

Leyland heard about Joyce's psychological state in the Tigers clubhouse.

"I gotta get over there," the Tigers manager said, heading for the doorway, and for the tunnel leading to the umpire's dressing room.

Leyland returned 15 minutes later.

"He's better now," the manager said, forgiving an umpire who could not forgive himself.

http://www.detnews.com/article/20100...a-perfect-game

[JBR]

MLB looking at overturning the call this morning according to ESPN.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by JBR

MLB looking at overturning the call this morning according to ESPN.

If there was ever a call that MLB would want to or could overrule, this would be the one.

Would anyone every complain about the rules being bent? No.
Did it all effect the rest of the game? No, the game was over if the call was correct.
Do we really want to be talking about this error forever in a bad way? No, correct it, and it can be talked about in a good way.

Really, there's no reason for MLB to not overrule in this case.

[Cowperson]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

If there was ever a call that MLB would want to or could overrule, this would be the one.

Would anyone every complain about the rules being bent? No.
Did it all effect the rest of the game? No, the game was over if the call was correct.
Do we really want to be talking about this error forever in a bad way? No, correct it, and it can be talked about in a good way.

Really, there's no reason for MLB to not overrule in this case.

I think MLB has kicked around the thought of giving each manager a chance to challenge one or two calls per game via video review, basically bringing the grand ole game into the modern age.

This is an instance where that kind of rule would have made a difference.

If this had been a blown call in the third inning or something, I'd be against a reversal. The pitcher wouldn't have had the pressures of knowing a perfect game was on the line the rest of the way.

As this happened with two out in the ninth inning though and had no consequence as to who would win or lose . . . . . It also helps all the principles involved, including the umpire, have behaved with exemplary class.

It's a dangerous precedent though. The human factor in baseball is one of it's charms, in spite of the pecadillos, and where do you draw the line? If they reverse this, they're effectively admitting they need to implement a rule giving managers the right to challenge one or two calls a game using video replay.

Cowperson

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by Cowperson

If this had been a blown call in the third inning or something, I'd be against a reversal. The pitcher wouldn't have had the pressures of knowing a perfect game was on the line the rest of the way.

As this happened with two out in the ninth inning though and had no consequence as to who would win or lose . . . . . It also helps all the principles involved, including the umpire, have behaved with exemplary class.

It's a dangerous precedent though. The human factor in baseball is one of it's charms, in spite of the pecadillos, and where do you draw the line? If they reverse this, they're effectively admitting they need to implement a rule giving managers the right to challenge one or two calls a game using video replay.

Cowperson

I definately agree with the part being bolded. The only reason why they can consider reversing the call is that it happened on the last out. The gameplay after the missed call was not affected at all by the wrong call, since, if you reverse the call, the game was over.

I do think that instant replay is coming to baseball, though, getting calls like this correct is more important then a minute or two of time.

I do also think the reaction of both Galaraga and Joyce helps MLB overturn the call - if they do. Both very humble.

[Resolute 14]

As long as MLB is considering fixing blown calls on historical moments, any chance they can admit Kelly Gruber made the tag and give the Jays their World Series triple play back?

I half think it might always be cooler to be known as the guy who pitched the 28 out perfect game. To hell with those pansies who managed only 27!

[Jiggy_12]

Reversing this call is the right move, but only if they change the rule at the same time. Give the manager 1 challenge per game. It wouldn't even be much more time consuming, since the manager usually wastes a couple minutes storming out of the dugout to argue anyways. They can't reverse this call without adding video review IMO, and this is a perfect time to do it.

[Cowperson]

In Newsweek today, an opinion piece titled "The Greatness And Perfection Of Missing The Call," an appeal not to reverse the call.

http://www.newsweek.com/2010/06/03/t...-the-call.html

Cowperson

[GirlySports]

But where do you draw the line? the 27th out? the 26th out? the 25th out?
I don't really care about no-hitters or perfect games TBQH.

There have been many other calls that have cost teams actual wins. Remember the 1985 World Series?

This is a nice story and all but a sport should never change a rule or make an exemption for an individual.

Originally Posted by Cowperson

In Newsweek today, an opinion piece titled "The Greatness And Perfection Of Missing The Call," an appeal not to reverse the call.

http://www.newsweek.com/2010/06/03/t...-the-call.html

Cowperson

I totally agree with the article. I think Galarraga has benefited more from the aftermath than the actual perfect game if the call had been right.

[Bobblehead]

I think the question you need to ask yourself is what is the purpose of the official?

Is the official there for governance, or is the official and his interpretation part of the game?

MLB adds umpires in post season games. In addition to the standard 4 there are umps down each line to aid in "getting the call right". That implies the officials are there to get the call right.

In tennis they have taken line judges out of most of the big tournaments. I don't hear a mourning of the loss.

While the argument of "the human factor" appealed to in the Newsweek opinion piece does appeal to emotion, attempting to get the call correct (in any sport) does not remove the human element. There are still plenty of players on the field and I would argue those are the ones people go to see, not Kerry Frasier, Tim Donaghy or Jim Joyce.

Additionally, the argument about baseball's tradition disappeared when outfield fences were added, or the height of the mound was changed, DH added, or any of a myriad of other rules that were added and changed as the game changed.

I would be very interested in seeing a computer call balls/strikes for a few games.
It wouldn't be removing the human element. The pitcher still needs to hit the zone, the batter still needs to make contact, and that is the essence of the match up. The arbitrary nature of an umpire's strike zone is more of a distraction than an enhancement.

So my feeling is that as long as "getting the call right" doesn't distract from the flow of the game, let's get the call right.

[Pagal4321]

And Selig delivers. No reversal.

[Resolute 14]

Reversing the call is the feel good solution, but it opens a huge can of worms that MLB doesn't want to deal with.

That said, Selig is going to take a beating over this decision.

[troutman]

I heard there were 3-4 other blown calls in the game that put the pitcher in the position for a perfect game in the first place. If you review the last play, why not all the others?

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Reversing the call is the feel good solution, but it opens a huge can of worms that MLB doesn't want to deal with.

That said, Selig is going to take a beating over this decision.

I don't think if he will. Reading a bit of the news today, there doesn't seem to be outcry of misjustice or anything.

It's was a perfect game, not a W-L and both pitcher and umpire have hugged. Galarraga bought the lineup card out to Joyce at home plate this afternoon and the crowd sort of cheered.

This is not really something to open a can of worms over.
Now if that call had been at first base in Game 7 of the World Series and the winning run came home fron 3rd, we've got another issue.

[CaptainCrunch]

You can't reverse the call after the fact, this isn't pro wrestling.

Bad calls are part of the game, and part of any game.

However this will probably lead to video review which will slow down an already slow game.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by troutman

I heard there were 3-4 other blown calls in the game that put the pitcher in the position for a perfect game in the first place. If you review the last play, why not all the others?

That would have to be put in context - what was the issue with the other 3 or 4 calls? Disagreements on balls/strikes?