LOST sixth and final season

[sa226]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I still go back to the consistency issue Walt was trapped on the Island as a whisper because of the bad things that he did.

Ben did even worse things on the Island and he was allowed into the waiting room.

Walt was sorry and did try to redeem himself as well and he continues to be punished. Ben seems to have gotten a free pass.

I see your point but I think the difference is that Ben found redemption, he found a purpose when Hurley asked him to be #2. If he didn't then he may have been trapped on the island as well. Michael didn't find redemption.

Actually now that I think of it didn't Michael die buying time on the freighter for the others to escape?

Maybe Ben made it because Hurley chose him.

[OilKiller]

Just read this somewhere else and I never connected the dots before...very cool:

Juliet's "It worked"...what Miles got from her after she had died. It wasn't the bomb that "worked." It was Sawyer unplugging the vending machine. The candy bar dropped down, she handed it to him, and said, "It worked."

[Antithesis]

There were a bunch of moments last night where I thought, oh, what a neat connection but that wasn't one of them. I was thinking that Desmond's "see you in another life, brother" had new meaning as well.

The connections they were making and the nature of them does make me wonder how long they planned the flashsideways idea and its nature.

[OilKiller]

Well, not only the "It worked" line but Juliette had one of the best lines in regards to the "mysteries" of the island/show: the secret is if you unplug it and plug it back in, everything resets. Desmond pulled out the plug, everything stopped working (world ending), and Jack had to plug it back in (world saved).

[Hemi-Cuda]

well i have to say the finale was better than i expected, but only because season 6 is my least favorite season of LOST. the show "lost" me when the Faith vs. Logic angle (Jack vs. Locke from the first 4 seasons) became simply Faith and Jack's redemption. i liked the fantastical stuff (smoke monster, island healing powers, eternal Richard) mixed with the science stuff (Dharma). to me it just seems like they spent so much time on the Dharma Initiative angle only for it to be meaningless in the end

but the purgatory angle of the flash sideways was the best way to tie up the last season, so overall i give the finale a passing grade. i just felt like it could have been so much more especially given how awesome season 5 was

[calgarybornnraised]

what a beautiful ending.vincent laying beside jack as he died had me bawling.cant wait for the dvd and the extra 20 mins.

[OilKiller]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

i liked the fantastical stuff (smoke monster, island healing powers, eternal Richard) mixed with the science stuff (Dharma). to me it just seems like they spent so much time on the Dharma Initiative angle only for it to be meaningless in the end

Jacob needed candidates, so he created The Dharma Initiative who drilled a hole into a magnetic pocket that necessitated the building of the hatch in which one day Desmond would forget to enter the numbers and that would cause the plane carrying the candidates to crash?

[flames_1987]

Wow they picked the most ######ed Lost fans to bring to Kimmel last night. They had a Q and A that only aired online, and there was one good question out of the entire bunch. Even Jimmy got pissed and said do we have any questions about the actual plot? It was beyond cringeworthy

[GGG]

The ending to me was acceptable. All the way through the show I wanted the show to be plot driven rather than character driven but the show always was about characters thrown into a crazy plot. In the end they resolved the characters lives and gave them the redemption each one sought.

My problem with the show though was thematically from the beginning it is inconsistant. The whole Man of Faith Man of Science was kind of lost in the last few seasons and in the end it was the primary theme in the last episode.

Also Jacobs comments at the end of last season "It always ends the same, eveything else is just progress" really didn't pay off for me. I much perferred the cyclical ending where MIB and the Caretaker on sitting on the beach at the end with the Losties being sent to the AR. I wanted a Dark Tower ending where the end of the show is just the start of the next battle with the initial conditions changed slightly.

To me the island being an eternal struggle between good and evil fit better with the show than Hurley's happy land island.

The show didn't punch me in the stomach though and have Hurley wake up from a dream or the them all being dead in the first plane crash. I was about to throw something at the TV until Hurley said you made a great number 2 ben and I realized that the lives on the Island were real and the AR was purgatory.

I think the whole AR was a waste of story time this season and a self-indulgent homage to the characters. Also the Star Trek fight between MIB and Jack was terrible. All that was missing was the music and a two handed punch.

In the end I it was as about as good as I expected and more importantly it is done.

[Madman]

Can someone explain, (perhaps I missed it in this thread), the following:

- Daniel Farraday
- Daniel Farraday's Mom (and more specifically, her conversation with Desmond in the finale)
- Charles Whidmore (so the whole getting back to the island schtick really didn't mean a damn thing?)

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by Madman

Can someone explain, (perhaps I missed it in this thread), the following:

- Daniel Farraday
- Daniel Farraday's Mom (and more specifically, her conversation with Desmond in the finale)
- Charles Whidmore (so the whole getting back to the island schtick really didn't mean a damn thing?)

Faraday wanted to play piano but his mother didn't let him, she made him study physics and work hard with science. However in the AR he was a pianist, he followed his passion and not the gift his mother forced on him. Faraday's physics calculations were what caused the Losties to set off the nuclear bomb creating the AR.

Faraday's mother killed him in the Lost reality. She didn't want Desmond to get all the Losties together as she didn't want to leave her son. In the AR she got to cherish her son and nurture his musical gift and passion. She wanted that to last, to spend time with her son.

As for Widmore's getting back to the island, obviously if you left you could come back. Widmore found the island, but changed the reasoning for being there (if you accept his explanation to Ben) thus it was no longer Ben vs Widmore, but MiB vs Jacob and not being the leaders I'd assume since they were no longer fighting each other they could kill each other.

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by GGG

The ending to me was acceptable. All the way through the show I wanted the show to be plot driven rather than character driven but the show always was about characters thrown into a crazy plot. In the end they resolved the characters lives and gave them the redemption each one sought.

My problem with the show though was thematically from the beginning it is inconsistant. The whole Man of Faith Man of Science was kind of lost in the last few seasons and in the end it was the primary theme in the last episode.

Also Jacobs comments at the end of last season "It always ends the same, eveything else is just progress" really didn't pay off for me. I much perferred the cyclical ending where MIB and the Caretaker on sitting on the beach at the end with the Losties being sent to the AR. I wanted a Dark Tower ending where the end of the show is just the start of the next battle with the initial conditions changed slightly.

To me the island being an eternal struggle between good and evil fit better with the show than Hurley's happy land island.

The show didn't punch me in the stomach though and have Hurley wake up from a dream or the them all being dead in the first plane crash. I was about to throw something at the TV until Hurley said you made a great number 2 ben and I realized that the lives on the Island were real and the AR was purgatory.

I think the whole AR was a waste of story time this season and a self-indulgent homage to the characters. Also the Star Trek fight between MIB and Jack was terrible. All that was missing was the music and a two handed punch.

In the end I it was as about as good as I expected and more importantly it is done.

So, what you're saying is, since the writers of Lost didn't write your exact ending theory, you didn't like it?

The Science vs Faith theme didn't fade away in the ending seasons. In fact, it actually resolved itself. Faith won, science lost. That's it. There was a victor in the end. How many other shows can say that?

The Island still is an eternal struggle between good and evil. The Island represents the balance between the two, with no one ever overcoming the other. That's been the entire theme of the show, and it stayed that way. Even with Jack and Hurley dead, someone else will be protecting the Island, making sure the balance is being maintained the same as ever. Everyone is a shade of grey.

As for the "AR" -- I don't think it's fair to call it that at this point -- everyone is free to like or dislike it, but I think, after the revelation that it was a spiritual "waiting room" of sorts, it fits perfectly with the show. It's always been about the characters, their lives, and their deaths. The Island will live on, as ever. . . . Egyptians came before, Romans came, Australians and Americans came, and in the future, brand new nations and peoples will visit it -- they will live, and they will die. The story is about them, the people, not the hieroglyphs. They needed to be together in order to move on after death, just as they needed to be together to move on in life on the Island.

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

Faraday wanted to play piano but his mother didn't let him, she made him study physics and work hard with science. However in the AR he was a pianist, he followed his passion and not the gift his mother forced on him. Faraday's physics calculations were what caused the Losties to set off the nuclear bomb creating the AR.

Faraday's mother killed him in the Lost reality. She didn't want Desmond to get all the Losties together as she didn't want to leave her son. In the AR she got to cherish her son and nurture his musical gift and passion. She wanted that to last, to spend time with her son.

As for Widmore's getting back to the island, obviously if you left you could come back. Widmore found the island, but changed the reasoning for being there (if you accept his explanation to Ben) thus it was no longer Ben vs Widmore, but MiB vs Jacob and not being the leaders I'd assume since they were no longer fighting each other they could kill each other.

This isn't my view on why Faraday remained behind in "sideways purgatory."

The H-bomb didn't create the "AR." There is no AR. There is only a spiritual waiting room, of sorts. It was created by the characters on the island, their souls, their memories, and their thoughts. All the H-bomb did was send the characters ahead in time and create the "incident" that required the button to be pushed. The writers wanted us to "think" there was an AR during the season until the final reveal of the truth of it.

My thoughts on Faraday not being able to "move on," as it were, is that he just wasn't ready. Just like Ben not going inside the Church with the others because he had to deal with what he did to Goodwin, etc., Faraday wasn't ready to go into the light. He still had things to deal with that he hadn't come to terms with yet. I would think it would have to do with his former girlfriend's death during his time-travel experiments, and Charlotte's death. He hadn't come to terms with them yet. He needed to go to them, and awaken them, and make amends. He wasn't "connected" to Jack, Desmond, Locke, et al. He wasn't in the plane that originally brought everyone to the Island. He wasn't tied to them as they were to each other. This goes for Ana Lucia (even though she was on the plane), too, and Dogen, etc.

Farday's mother couldn't "move on" because she still hadn't been able to come to terms with killing her son. Once she's done so, she can leave. She wasn't holding Daniel back. He, himself, was.

[Meelapo]

So after you die and you're in this purgatory place you still have to have a job?

When all the characters realized who they were (via those shock flashback things) was that the moment they died or was that the moment they realized they are dead?

[Jason14h]

Faraday wasn't ready to go into the light. He still had things to deal with that he hadn't come to terms with yet. I would think it would have to do with his former girlfriend's death during his time-travel experiments, and Charlotte's death.

When Faraday touches Charlotte they don't have the flash back moment all the other characters had either, perhaps symbolizing the fact they hadn't "let go" yet

[Icon]

I can't decide if I liked the ending or not... I kind of saw it coming, which might have made it lose some of it's effect... I did think there'd be a bit more doom & gloom in the finale, instead of the "happy" ending they did.

I'm mostly just sad the series is over. It was always an entertaining hour of the week.

If they were to milk the franchise, I'm sure a miniseries involving what happens with Ben & Hurley over the years on the island with cameos from the rest of the "survivors" / people in their other post-death place thing would be very popular.

[Russic]

I think even if it were expanded upon with a miniseries or something it would still leave things purposefully unanswered. It's the Lost way. A lot of it is about making you think and coming to your own conclusions. Many rip the show for not explaining certain things, but I've always felt the goal of the show is to leave those things a mystery.

[Madman]

So, how did Ben get out from under the tree?

[Jiggy_12]

The thing that really struck me as unique about the way it ended...the main character dies, as well as most if not all the other characters...yet most would still call that a happy ending. Really memorable way to end. Tons of plot holes but that isn't too big a deal to me, the way they wrapped up the personal/human aspect was phenomenal IMO.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Meelapo

So after you die and you're in this purgatory place you still have to have a job?

When all the characters realized who they were (via those shock flashback things) was that the moment they died or was that the moment they realized they are dead?

Option 2.

The purgotory still having a job is necessary because you have to work out your life/flaws while in purgotory so you need some connection to your other self.

Faraday/Charlotte were not original losties and not connected to the group in the same way. Although they may have had flashbacks while meeting, they wouldn't leave with everyone else.