Brent Krahn - currently the best goalie in the AHL

[STeeLy]

A lot of the names on the Spengler cup team sticks out. Brendan Bell and Mark Bell, pretty sure I saw one of them play for the sens last year.

Boyd Deveraux, Brett McLean...

[MonsieurFish]

http://theahl.com/stats/statdisplay....ies&season_id=

Currently the best goalie in the playoffs. Good to see he is back again after being out for a few months.

[Patrick]

Watch him turn into another Craig Anderson type goalie. A former Flames prospect whom we gave up and than finally develops later on in his career. Too bad for all those injuries, thats what really hurt his develop in Calgary and management giving up on him.

[Cactus Jack]

I didn't want to start a new thread on this but it is related. Did anyone hear Playfair's interview when he talked about David Shantz? Shantz is leading the team this playoffs and he talked about what a great person he is. He said he took a few months off in the offseason to go volunteer and teach English in Africa. He also said Shantz rides his bike to practice everyday and stops to pick up garbage along the way. Sounds like a neat kid, kind of Andrew-Ference-like, a real stand-up person. I think he's only 23 so maybe in a few years he could be our starter.

[dobbles]

Originally Posted by Cactus Jack

I didn't want to start a new thread on this but it is related. Did anyone hear Playfair's interview when he talked about David Shantz? Shantz is leading the team this playoffs and he talked about what a great person he is. He said he took a few months off in the offseason to go volunteer and teach English in Africa. He also said Shantz rides his bike to practice everyday and stops to pick up garbage along the way. Sounds like a neat kid, kind of Andrew-Ference-like, a real stand-up person. I think he's only 23 so maybe in a few years he could be our starter.

don't put the cart before the horse... there was a time curtis mcelhinney was the best goalie in the ahl, and we all know how well liked he is around here.

[Weiser Wonder]

He still can't stay healthy. But he seems like he's building a career for himself.

[868904]

Originally Posted by Cactus Jack

I didn't want to start a new thread on this but it is related. Did anyone hear Playfair's interview when he talked about David Shantz? Shantz is leading the team this playoffs and he talked about what a great person he is. He said he took a few months off in the offseason to go volunteer and teach English in Africa. He also said Shantz rides his bike to practice everyday and stops to pick up garbage along the way. Sounds like a neat kid, kind of Andrew-Ference-like, a real stand-up person. I think he's only 23 so maybe in a few years he could be our starter.

It is interesting to come into a thread about Brent Krahn and hear people talk about how the Flames let hiim go and how he may blossom like Anderson, but then read about the Flames taking a chance on another team's reject like SHantz.

Just goes to show that goalies take a long long time to develop. I really don't see the point of drafting goalies really high. The majority of the cases, whether a goalie makes it or not is based on his development after he's drafted, so does it really matter if the guy dominates the junior leagues?

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by 868904

I really don't see the point of drafting goalies really high. The majority of the cases, whether a goalie makes it or not is based on his development after he's drafted, so does it really matter if the guy dominates the junior leagues?

Luongo, Brodeur, Giguere, Fleury, DiPietro, Rask, Varlamov were all drafted in first round. Drafting goalies high works. Not always, but point is that if you see a chance of getting Luongo/Brodeur type goaltender for your organization, you go for it. The upside of the gamble is unbelievably high.

[krazycanuck]

Originally Posted by Pointman

Luongo, Brodeur, Giguere, Fleury, DiPietro, Rask, Varlamov were all drafted in first round. Drafting goalies high works. Not always, but point is that if you see a chance of getting Luongo/Brodeur type goaltender for your organization, you go for it. The upside of the gamble is unbelievably high.

Trevor Kidd says hi

[Loob/Backlund]

Why do I have this feeling that someday Brent Krahn will be facing off against Curtis Mcelhinney in the Stanley Cup Final!

[Weiser Wonder]

Originally Posted by Pointman

Luongo, Brodeur, Giguere, Fleury, DiPietro, Rask, Varlamov were all drafted in first round. Drafting goalies high works. Not always, but point is that if you see a chance of getting Luongo/Brodeur type goaltender for your organization, you go for it. The upside of the gamble is unbelievably high.

But that's only about a third of the goalies in the league. It's not a question of whether you can find an all-star goalie in the first round of the draft, rather is it that much easier to find a all-star goalie early in the draft as opposed to later. I'd say it's easier, but not worth the risk of getting a dud. It's much easier to project how skaters will turn out, therefore I like the strategy of using early picks for skaters and taking lots of fliers on goalies with later picks. Of course, with this strategy a team should spend a lot of resources developing goalies.

If you look at Calgary's goalie development, the most successful story was McElhinney who was a very late round pick. And now you have an unsigned goalie in David Shantz outplaying all the Flames prospects.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Weiser Wonder

If you look at Calgary's goalie development, the most successful story was McElhinney who was a very late round pick. And now you have an unsigned goalie in David Shantz outplaying all the Flames prospects.

Craig Anderson, Jean-Sebastien Giguere and Dwayne Roloson developed in the Flames system as well. Although I guess you might consider them ancient history at this point?

[Caged Great]

Vokoun, Kipper, Nabokov, Halak, Lundqvist, Belfour, Joseph just off the top of my head were players that were either taken in the later rounds or not taken at all in the draft and signed as free agents.

Even Patrick Roy was like the 6th or 7th goalie taken in his draft and wasn't selected till the 3rd round and the only other goalie who became a starter in that draft was Kirk McLean who was a 7th rounder.

You are just as likely to get an all-star calibre goalie in the 6th and 7th round as you are in the first.

With the fact that you're not likely to get a star calibre forward/d-man in the 7th round, 99% of the time it's better to go with one of those positions in the 1st/2nd round and gamble with goalies using your late round picks as the only guys you're likely to get with those picks are 6th/7th D and 3rd/4th liners if you're lucky.



Look at Montreal right now. In 2005 they took Carey Price 5th overall, and while he may develop into a good goalie, he's been overshadowed continually for the past year and a half by the goalie they took in the 9th round two years prior to that. Looking at who was immediately on the board following the Price pick, there's Gilbert Brule, Jack Skille, Devin Setoguchi, Brian Lee, Luc Bourdon, Anze Kopitar, and Marc Staal. Of those players, you have 2 star forwards, 1 that might get there (skille), a top 4 D-man with another that's likely to be a top 4 d-man.

Each of those players have greater value than what you would get for a goalie like Price. The only two notable players that were taken within a round either way from Halak that have any merit at all are Matt Moulson who just developed into a 2nd line player this year, and Dustin Byfuglein.

[Caged Great]

Just to look at goalies taken after Krahn that made an impact at the NHL level.

Bryzgalov 2nd round
Ellis 2nd round
Tellqvist 3rd round
Cechmanek 6th round
Henrik Lundqvist 7th round (best goalie in the entire draft)

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Craig Anderson, Jean-Sebastien Giguere and Dwayne Roloson developed in the Flames system as well. Although I guess you might consider them ancient history at this point?

Anderson wasn't developed by the Flames. He was originally drafted by the Flames, but was never signed and re-entered the draft and was selected by the Blackhawks.

[Weiser Wonder]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Craig Anderson, Jean-Sebastien Giguere and Dwayne Roloson developed in the Flames system as well. Although I guess you might consider them ancient history at this point?

I meant Sutter era Flames.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by getbak

Anderson wasn't developed by the Flames. He was originally drafted by the Flames, but was never signed and re-entered the draft and was selected by the Blackhawks.

Well his first 2 NHL training camps were with the Flames. His first two NHL rookie/development camps were with the Flames. And he likely worked with our goalie coaches for those years and perhaps got feedback from our scouts.

Anybody that was in our system for a couple years was partially developed by our organization. You'd say the majority of his development was done in the Hawks minor league system but to completely discount the years he developed right after being drafted while being the Flames system seems selective.

One of the least heralded Flames draft pick that we let go was Travis Moen. No one lamented that guy's loss at all when we didn't sign him and yet he's turned into a solid NHLer.