Prom cancelled because of lesbian teen

[Devils'Advocate]

Originally Posted by narbeZ

If you don't like it there is an ignore function.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing" - Edmund Burke

Ignoring discrimination and hatred is not the right route. As per my just previous message, I'm not sure what the right route IS, but I know ignoring it is tantamount to endorsing it.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

I dunno. There is nothing I hate more than hate.

Prejudice, racism, bigotry, discrimination... anyone who preaches any of these - for whatever reason - goes into my black book.

Weirdo.

[Redliner]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

You know, while I really disagree with Narbez in his view of this issue I don't think he deserves to be called a jackass or a disgusting human being for his views. There's great irony in these two posts.

Very well said. I find it interesting that every time I get into a thread involving religion, politics, or sexual orientation, the liberal, "progressive" bunch who are supposed to be the open-minded ones are often the first ones to start with the name calling and s**t slinging whenever someone voices a conservative point of view.

Whether you agree with another person's views and beliefs or not - no matter how strongly you disagree or how wrong you might think they are - it only discredits you when you have to resort to personal attacks to try and prove your point.

[Devils'Advocate]

Originally Posted by SebC

Weirdo.

Heh. Obviously I meant "bad books".

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

Heh. Obviously I meant "bad books".

Actually, you meant black book.

[Devils'Advocate]

Originally Posted by SebC

Actually, you meant black book.

Interesting that "sh*tlist" is in Princeton's dictionary.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by narbeZ

These girls probably just want to make some headlines.

I also don't see the need for some posters to rag on people's "biblical" beliefs.

Whether you like it or not, these common values and stories have been shared and passed down from family's and churches for thousands of years.

Now I know the new generation of adults/children are going progressively atheist, and I understand that.

On the other hand, just because these girls are homosexuals shouldn't mean that they don't have the right to partake in prom. But lets look at this from the outside.

What would it be like if they were all over each other on the dancefloor? Myself I would be ready to throw up. There is also a flipside to this, what if they were male?

I say, these girls can be "straight" for one more night.

The whole thing smells of attention.

Besides what other reason would they bring the whole thing to the forefront unless they were planning on getting busy at prom?

They could just go as two girls, and all of this attention could never have happened.


I STILL, don't understand why it has to be such an "event" to come out of the closet.

Here is where your argument falls on its face.

What are gay people supposed to think/feel when they see straight people all over each other on the dance floor? They, I would think, may feel like throwing up. See how that works?

You are taking a position that you are "normal" and they are not, when in reality everyone should be treated equally no matter what their orientation....meaning the only "normal" is what each individual feels.

Its a superiority that is shared by everyone against homosexuality being allowed to become mainstream/accepted by society.

What does anyone sharing their affection for someone else do to your own ability to function as a hetro? It doesn't, and cases like this just show that people with your attitude think its allright to continue to treat those different than them as second class citizens.

Its a shame we still have this bigotry existing in 2010, though I suspect it will never completely go away based on the inability of many to understand that not everyone is biologically create the same way.

[starseed]

It is an amazing experience to grow from holding onto other people's standards of 'normal' to embracing your own. It is unfortunate that some people do not grow up.

[stang]

Originally Posted by photon

She wrote to them asking permission because she knew that in the past it had been a problem.

See thats her problem. As any guy knows "Its easier to ask for forgiveness then permision"

Originally Posted by narbeZ

I also don't see the need for some posters to rag on people's "biblical" beliefs.

I dont understand the need to rag on someones sexual preference.

What would it be like if they were all over each other on the dancefloor? Myself I would be ready to throw up. There is also a flipside to this, what if they were male?

I am ready to throw up everytime I hear someone trying to preach the bible to me. I guess you have to just deal with it. A 2000 year old book, thats really just a copy and paste of tons of other religions beliefs does nothing for me.

I say, these girls can be "straight" for one more night.

I say you try and be gay for one night.

[SeeGeeWhy]

Originally Posted by narbeZ

I STILL, don't understand why it has to be such an "event" to come out of the closet.

Your post is hilarious. The things you are saying make me want to puke, but is that going to convince you to "not be ignorant" for one night just so you can make me happy? No way, and I sure as hell wouldn't expect you to, either.

Just because you feel as though you're part of a majority does not mean the rest of the planet has to do what is necessary to allow you to sleep at night with dreams of a handsome, white Jesus in your head.

Out of your entire post, that last line struck me the most. Coming out is an event because it takes a lot of courage to identify yourself as part of a pretty ostracized minority, mostly because of the backlash a gay person might receive while trying to live their normal life, like say... going to the prom.

[Yeah_Baby]

I love how hate is 'okay' if you wrap in dogma. Speaking in terms of the Bible doesn't it say that to God, sin is sin. Therefore even if you take issue with LGBT then how is their 'sin' and different from what you 'sin' you do?


Hate is hate. Stop spreading it.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

You know, while I really disagree with Narbez in his view of this issue I don't think he deserves to be called a jackass or a disgusting human being for his views. There's great irony in these two posts.

And I think he deserves to be called much more than a jackass. It's not as if this is an isolated incident, he's spewed racism and hate in other threads as well.

[Blaster86]

You know, I think the best part is that the guy who is adamantly against homosexuality has a sig image referring to the boy he's crushing on.

Freudian. Very Freudian.

[RyZ]

This is silly. Who cares. Such a non-issue, who goes to the prom with whom.

That being said, the biggest bigots and hypocrites in this thread are those people busting an NarbeZ for having an opinion or view opposite of their own. Remember, NarbeZ view is the one held by the large majority of this part of the world over the past 100 years, and likely still the view held by most cultures world wide on the subject. A whole bunch of you guys sound like a bunch of crazed Catholics (*GASP*) trying to force other people to think like you do and have the same opinions.

Some of you guys are acting like he proposed a mass genocide or something.

[Devils'Advocate]

Originally Posted by RyZ

This is silly. Who cares. Such a non-issue, who goes to the prom with whom.

That being said, the biggest bigots and hypocrites in this thread are those people busting an NarbeZ for having an opinion or view opposite of their own. Remember, NarbeZ view is the one held by the large majority of this part of the world over the past 100 years, and likely still the view held by most cultures world wide on the subject. A whole bunch of you guys sound like a bunch of crazed Catholics (*GASP*) trying to force other people to think like you do and have the same opinions.

I'm a bigot for being intolerant of intolerance?

What if someone here said that black people shouldn't be allowed at the prom because all hell would break loose if one were to kiss a white girl? Would you say that is a perfectly valid opinion and decrying that opinion would make me a bigot? Tell me again how exactly that works in your world?

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

I'm a bigot for being intolerant of intolerance?

What if someone here said that black people shouldn't be allowed at the prom because all hell would break loose if one were to kiss a white girl? Would you say that is a perfectly valid opinion and decrying that opinion would make me a bigot? Tell me again how exactly that works in your world?

I guess we're all intolerant. Being intolerant of intolerance makes you intolerant. Quite the logic going on there.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by RyZ

This is silly. Who cares. Such a non-issue, who goes to the prom with whom.

That being said, the biggest bigots and hypocrites in this thread are those people busting an NarbeZ for having an opinion or view opposite of their own. Remember, NarbeZ view is the one held by the large majority of this part of the world over the past 100 years, and likely still the view held by most cultures world wide on the subject. A whole bunch of you guys sound like a bunch of crazed Catholics (*GASP*) trying to force other people to think like you do and have the same opinions.

Some of you guys are acting like he proposed a mass genocide or something.

And it clearly is not the dominant view now.

You could very easily make a case that black segregation and persecution in the southern US is a dominant view of the past 100 years as well. Are you going to claim that someone holding those views is right? or they should be allowed to continue with their practices which restrict the rights of others? Should anyone who disagreed with you just hold their tongue and let these things slide?

Interesting you should bring up a genocide reference though, because standing up for the rights of other people is what this thread is about. People are ragging on him because his views are very similar to those held by some of the worst offenders in history...

"THEY CAME FIRST for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

THEN THEY CAME for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.

THEN THEY CAME for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

THEN THEY CAME for the Catholics,
and I didn’t speak up because I was a Protestant.

THEN THEY CAME for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up."

from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came...

[Locke]

I knew it was the lesbians!! Even when it was the Communists and Jews, I knew it was the lesbians!!

[RyZ]

Okay, maybe the term "bigot" isn't the term I was looking for. I just think that a lot of the people in this thread sound exactly like a group of hardcore religious people busting on someone outside of their community.

And if someone was upset about a black person at a dance, I would just think they are a fool. I wouldn't treat them exactly the same way that I was asking them NOT to treat somebody else.

Are you guys not showing intolenrance to his opinion of intolenrance? Fight fire with fire and fight hate with hate? Is that the best way?

[valo403]

Originally Posted by RyZ

Okay, maybe the term "bigot" isn't the term I was looking for. I just think that a lot of the people in this thread sound exactly like a group of hardcore religious people busting on someone outside of their community.

And if someone was upset about a black person at a dance, I would just think they are a fool. I wouldn't treat them exactly the same way that I was asking them NOT to treat somebody else.

Are you guys not showing intolenrance to his opinion of intolenrance? Fight fire with fire and fight hate with hate? Is that the best way?

I think he's a fool (well jackass to be exact), just like your example. I don't alter my view because this case is sexuality as opposed to race. And how is anyone treating Narbez the same way as the girl in this story? Are we preventing him from doing anything? Are we saying he can't express his views?

As for your last point, I guess I'm intolerant of intolerance. I'm okay with that label. I guess I could give him a hug, but that might be to icky and disgusting for him.