Mormons explain where dark skinned humans come from.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Thor

Yes and no, you should know that by now, depends on the person usually and how they interpret their beliefs. Some could care less, some are deeply offended.

Or do you think Religions aren't offended by other beliefs that contradict theirs?

I mean your sincerely asking me or is this just being apologetic for the sake of assuming my reputation precedes me on this issue?

No, I thought you were referring to the churches themselves, not individuals.

Individually speaking, you are definitely correct...I've seen it from those folks too.

[Redliner]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Which Christians? Baptists? Methodists? Catholics?

Or are they a united front?

None of the above. Mormons believe that the "whole" truth of Christ's teachings, as well as his authority, or priesthood, was lost from the earth after Christ was crucified and all of the disciples died or were killed. Christianity continued and eventually evolved into the different factions we know today, but those churches we only partially true as they lacked the priesthood and therefore direction of Christ.

Mormons believe that the true church in its entirety was restored by Joseph Smith in the early 1800's after receiving direction from God and Jesus Christ in the form of a vision. Whereas the Catholic church and many other Christian denominations believe that the skies are closed and that God no longer communicates directly with man, Mormons believe that revelation and prophecy are alive and well, and the Mormon church is led by Jesus Christ himself, through the direction of a living prophet.

Anyone who claims that Mormons are not Christians knows absolutely nothing about the faith. The formal name of the Mormon church is "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints." Whether you agree with the way they practice their beliefs or not, Christ is absolutely central to the Mormon religion.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Redliner

None of the above. Mormons believe that the "whole" truth of Christ's teachings, as well as his authority, or priesthood, was lost from the earth after Christ was crucified and all of the disciples died or were killed. Christianity continued and eventually evolved into the different factions we know today, but those churches we only partially true as they lacked the priesthood and therefore direction of Christ.

Mormons believe that the true church in its entirety was restored by Joseph Smith in the early 1800's after receiving direction from God and Jesus Christ in the form of a vision. Whereas the Catholic church and many other Christian denominations believe that the skies are closed and that God no longer communicates directly with man, Mormons believe that revelation and prophecy are alive and well, and the Mormon church is led by Jesus Christ himself, through the direction of a living prophet.

Anyone who claims that Mormons are not Christians knows absolutely nothing about the faith. The formal name of the Mormon church is "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints." Whether you agree with the way they practice their beliefs or not, Christ is absolutely central to the Mormon religion.

I know all of this, but why did you post it in response to my question of Thor?

[etdpratt]

Originally Posted by J pold

It was not my intention to be crass, I've keep all the the points on Cheese's list that I can recall being taught by my grandfather, in church, or in church like settings.

• God was once a man like us.
• God has a tangible body of flesh and bone.
• God ("Heavenly Father") has at least one wife, our "Mother in Heaven," but she is so holy that we are not to discuss her nor pray to her.
• Jesus was married.
• We can become like God and rule over our own universe.
• There are many gods, ruling over their own worlds.
• Jesus and Satan ("Lucifer") are brothers, and they are our brothers - we are all spirit children of Heavenly Father
• Before coming to this earth we lived as spirits in a "pre-existence", during which we were tested; our position in this life (whether born to Mormons or savages, or in America or Africa) is our reward or punishment for our obedience in that life.
• Dark skin is a curse from God, the result of our sin, or the sin of our ancestors. If sufficiently righteous, a dark-skinned person will become light-skinned.
  
• Not only will human beings be resurrected to eternal life, but also all animals - everything that has ever lived on earth - will be resurrected and dwell in heaven.
• Mormons should avoid traveling on water, since Satan rules the waters.
• A righteous Mormon will actually see the face of God in the Mormon temple.

This list does not even mention the practice of baptizing the dead. I have no problems with Mormons, a large portion of my family and friends remain LDS and they're all great people. These, however, are the beliefs that they choose to subscribe to.

There are several items on your list that are accurate beliefs of the LDS church, including the belief that God was once a man and that he once had a body of flesh and blood. They believe there is a heavenly mother but there is no worship of her or anything of that nature. They believe in the pre-existence. The notion that if we were born into unfortunate circumstances it means we were wicked in the pre-mortal life is completely inaccurate. The notion that righteous mormons will see the face of God in the temple is also a false statement. Mormons believe that God can dwell in the temple because it is his house and that there are a select few who have seen God in their lives, but that all righteous members will get that opportunity is completely false.

[etdpratt]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

It is my understanding that they are only for people who have been sealed in the temple. I've never heard of the armor thing except in that video that Cheese posted several months ago.

These clothes you speak of are worn after taking on certain covenants in the temple and it is not related to being sealed in the temple. In fact, if you have ever seen missionaries of the mormon church, they are between the ages of 19-21 and they have that clothing as well because before the mission they take on those new covenants.

[Thor]

Originally Posted by Redliner

None of the above. Mormons believe that the "whole" truth of Christ's teachings, as well as his authority, or priesthood, was lost from the earth after Christ was crucified and all of the disciples died or were killed. Christianity continued and eventually evolved into the different factions we know today, but those churches we only partially true as they lacked the priesthood and therefore direction of Christ.

Mormons believe that the true church in its entirety was restored by Joseph Smith in the early 1800's after receiving direction from God and Jesus Christ in the form of a vision. Whereas the Catholic church and many other Christian denominations believe that the skies are closed and that God no longer communicates directly with man, Mormons believe that revelation and prophecy are alive and well, and the Mormon church is led by Jesus Christ himself, through the direction of a living prophet.

Anyone who claims that Mormons are not Christians knows absolutely nothing about the faith. The formal name of the Mormon church is "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints." Whether you agree with the way they practice their beliefs or not, Christ is absolutely central to the Mormon religion.

Shouldn't it just be called the Church of Joseph Smith instead? I mean really its a religion based on a convicted criminal known for scams.

[albertGQ]

So is that really how Mormons explain the reason behind dark skinned people?

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

So is that really how Mormons explain the reason behind dark skinned people?

Nope.

It may have been at one time, I don't know. It's certainly nothing that was ever taught to me, in church or out of it.

[Thor]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Nope.

It may have been at one time, I don't know. It's certainly nothing that was ever taught to me, in church or out of it.

Thats the thing, it was tought but was changed due to revelation in the 60's to an LDS elder.

Least that is what my Mormon friend told me.

[bcb]

So how do we fit the info from this video into the high school biology curriculum?

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Thor

Thats the thing, it was tought but was changed due to revelation in the 60's to an LDS elder.

Least that is what my Mormon friend told me.

So 50 years later we're still going to attack Mormons over it even though it's not part of any doctrine they've ever accpeted?

[T@T]

Oh boy!!
Another religion thread

Mormons,Christians,Jews,Muslims,Tenrikyo's and Buddhists can all go to hell.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Nope.

It may have been at one time, I don't know. It's certainly nothing that was ever taught to me, in church or out of it.

Did they teach you all humans came from dark skinned people?

Never mind. That would never happen.

[calgaryred]

I remember when a Mormon tried to convert me to LDS. First he told me they believe in the Bible and the Book of Mormon, yet he wouldn't even look at the Bible, everything he referenced to convert me was written in Joseph Smith's book.

The part that floored me was being told that there were seven levels of heaven ,no hell and the highest level was I could become a God and create my own planet and people to worship me.

I was like ok........................bye

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

So 50 years later we're still going to attack Mormons over it even though it's not part of any doctrine they've ever accpeted?

We? Look buddy, there is no "we" if you don't want to get on board and bash the Mormons with the rest of us.

In all seriousness though (well, as serious as I can get discussing religious movements on a Saturday night on a hockey website), I've known plenty of Mormons and they were all pretty much regular folks who happened to believe a few things I think are kinda strange.

I don't know about the Star of Kobol and some of this other stuff, but the Joseph Smith thing with the plates and the hat and the stones and all that -- far as I can tell, it's public knowledge and part of the accepted story.

Questioning it isn't wrong. I agree that piling on the Mormons based on a bunch of half-truths or lies is wrong, but critics didn't pull all this stuff out of thin air.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by T@T

Did they teach you all humans came from dark skinned people?

Never mind. That would never happen.

What I was taught about the origin of humans in church came from the book of Genesis.

Everything I have learned about the origin of humans has come from biology/antrhopology/geology.

Good enough for you?

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

We? Look buddy, there is no "we" if you don't want to get on board and bash the Mormons with the rest of us.

In all seriousness though (well, as serious as I can get discussing religious movements on a Saturday night on a hockey website), I've known plenty of Mormons and they were all pretty much regular folks who happened to believe a few things I think are kinda strange.

I don't know about the Star of Kobol and some of this other stuff, but the Joseph Smith thing with the plates and the hat and the stones and all that -- far as I can tell, it's public knowledge and part of the accepted story.

Questioning it isn't wrong. I agree that piling on the Mormons based on a bunch of half-truths or lies is wrong, but critics didn't pull all this stuff out of thin air.

As usual, I don't disagree with you at all...but you're replying to a post in which I have basically defended a group of people against racism that is not part of their doctrine today.

J Pold tells a different story, but I would restate here that I was never taught anything about dark skinned demons/inferiority/unworthiness garbage. We're talking 70's and 80's here...so quite a few years ago.

[Redliner]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

I know all of this, but why did you post it in response to my question of Thor?

Wasn't a response directed at you; I just wanted to answer the question.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Redliner

Wasn't a response directed at you; I just wanted to answer the question.

Hmm. Must've misunderstood my question I guess.