Mormons explain where dark skinned humans come from.

[evman150]

Originally Posted by etdpratt

Be careful what you read. Give me any religion and I can manipulate truth to make it appear the way I want it to appear.

Astute observation.

I wonder why that is...?

[Joborule]

So this is how pimpism started...

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by blankall

To be fair a lot of the points on the list are either extreme views within mormonism or views that are no longer held. If you go through the extreme and historical parts of any regligion I'm sure you could produce a similar list..... well maybe not the galactic sex part.

So this list is derived from an "extreme wing of the LDS?" So they were fact at one time and are no longer practised? When did they change all of their views and why? Wouldnt that require a message from God?
Which parts are extreme now and which are fact?
Im asking a simple question I think.

[Finny61]

Hey Cheese here's an idea, go talk to some Mormons.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Cheese

So this list is derived from an "extreme wing of the LDS?" So they were fact at one time and are no longer practised? When did they change all of their views and why? Wouldnt that require a message from God?
Which parts are extreme now and which are fact?
Im asking a simple question I think.

To be fair, it is kind of a "when did you stop beating your wife?" deal.

I know the site you are talking about and I figure some of those people were exposed to this craziness, but that list is like a compendium of all the craziness everyone saw rolled into one.

Sorta like asking "why do Christians forbid dancing, revere the Pope, believe the earth is 6,000 years old, get dunked in the river, worship water stains on a bridge, hold exorcisms, turn pictures around, molest children, fondle beads, praise god when they get a touchdown, refuse to go to war and say earthquakes are god's revenge for selling out to the devil just to get rid of the French"?

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by Finny61

Hey Cheese here's an idea, go talk to some Mormons.

I did...I was one of them many years ago.

[Finny61]

Good for you then I trust you are content with your choice in life currently.

[J pold]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

As am I and nearly every one of those bullets make me laugh because I've never heard them in a church setting. Ever.

It was not my intention to be crass, I've keep all the the points on Cheese's list that I can recall being taught by my grandfather, in church, or in church like settings.

• God was once a man like us.
• God has a tangible body of flesh and bone.
• God ("Heavenly Father") has at least one wife, our "Mother in Heaven," but she is so holy that we are not to discuss her nor pray to her.
• Jesus was married.
• We can become like God and rule over our own universe.
• There are many gods, ruling over their own worlds.
• Jesus and Satan ("Lucifer") are brothers, and they are our brothers - we are all spirit children of Heavenly Father
• Before coming to this earth we lived as spirits in a "pre-existence", during which we were tested; our position in this life (whether born to Mormons or savages, or in America or Africa) is our reward or punishment for our obedience in that life.
• Dark skin is a curse from God, the result of our sin, or the sin of our ancestors. If sufficiently righteous, a dark-skinned person will become light-skinned.
  
• Not only will human beings be resurrected to eternal life, but also all animals - everything that has ever lived on earth - will be resurrected and dwell in heaven.
• Mormons should avoid traveling on water, since Satan rules the waters.
• A righteous Mormon will actually see the face of God in the Mormon temple.

This list does not even mention the practice of baptizing the dead. I have no problems with Mormons, a large portion of my family and friends remain LDS and they're all great people. These, however, are the beliefs that they choose to subscribe to.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by J pold

It was not my intention to be crass, I've keep all the the points on Cheese's list that I can recall being taught by my grandfather, in church, or in church like settings.

• Jesus and Satan ("Lucifer") are brothers, and they are our brothers - we are all spirit children of Heavenly Father
• Before coming to this earth we lived as spirits in a "pre-existence",

This list does not even mention the practice of baptizing the dead. I have no problems with Mormons, a large portion of my family and friends remain LDS and they're all great people. These, however, are the beliefs that they choose to subscribe to.

1 and a half for me.

I guess I'm unreasonable though.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Cheese

Then maybe they should offer explanations for some of the weird and wonderful items on that list Dis. The fact you didnt experience them doesnt mean they dont exist. Ideas like the ones presented in the video dont just come from thin air.

No, but it is evidence that they aren't pervasive.

I've never heard of Kolob except in these threads. Where did that come from? How can one spend 16 years in a church and not here of something that profound?

My motivation here is that Mormons get a disproportionate amount of grief from the non-religious crowd. Most of it is either exaggerated or made up altogether.

Mormonism is simply another denomination of Christianity and there's really not a whole lot strange about it these days.

[Thor]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

No, but it is evidence that they aren't pervasive.

I've never heard of Kolob except in these threads. Where did that come from? How can one spend 16 years in a church and not here of something that profound?

My motivation here is that Mormons get a disproportionate amount of grief from the non-religious crowd. Most of it is either exaggerated or made up altogether.

Mormonism is simply another denomination of Christianity and there's really not a whole lot strange about it these days.

Actually Mormons get a lot of grief from Christianity, considering to Christianity many of the things Mormons believe is blasphemous to their beliefs.

[Vulcan]

"This list does not even mention the practice of baptizing the dead. I have no problems with Mormons, a large portion of my family and friends remain LDS and they're all great people. These, however, are the beliefs that they choose to subscribe to."

One thing that has come out of this strange practise is that it has made it easier for people to trace their ancestors through the LDS records.

I dont' know what to make of the Mormon church except one girl I went out with was a jack mormon and crazier than although to be fair she had a few other problems.

[photon]

Not saying this is going on in this thread, but it's maybe headed that way:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

On one hand it's fair to question specific beliefs but I think one has to be careful to make sure to address people and their beliefs specifically. I wouldn't, for example, question a Christian or Christianity in general based on the actions of those crazy people who picket funerals.

However I'm going to be careful not to let people slip into the No True Scotsman fallacy.

The question then is how big a chunk of Mormons actually adhere to the beliefs in question? Or someone who actually believes them respond.

[MolsonInBothHands]

I was raised Mormon, and recall most of what Jpold has mentioned, including baptizing the dead, having the family sealed in the temple so you will be together in eternal life, and the blessed undergarments. The underwear I didn't believe when someone told me. I had to ask my mother. It floored me when she told me she wore them and what they were supposed to do.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Thor

Actually Mormons get a lot of grief from Christianity, considering to Christianity many of the things Mormons believe is blasphemous to their beliefs.

Which Christians? Baptists? Methodists? Catholics?

Or are they a united front?

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by MolsonInBothHands

I was raised Mormon, and recall most of what Jpold has mentioned, including baptizing the dead, having the family sealed in the temple so you will be together in eternal life, and the blessed undergarments. The underwear I didn't believe when someone told me. I had to ask my mother. It floored me when she told me she wore them and what they were supposed to do.

Curious about the bolded part. Everything you mentioned specifically is common knowledge about Mormonism.

Really curious about what you were told the underwear was supposed to 'do'?

[MolsonInBothHands]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Curious about the bolded part. Everything you mentioned specifically is common knowledge about Mormonism.

Really curious about what you were told the underwear was supposed to 'do'?

Whether it was "official Mormon doctrine" or not, I can't say, but it was definitely believed by my mother and her family. Also note I have never seen these undergarments directly, but can see them on men wearing business shirts, if you know what to look for, an inside joke the Mormons call the eternal smile.

Basically, I was told these undergarments had a couple purposes. The first and obvious one is that it imposes a level of modesty on the wearer due to the cut of them. The next one was that they are embroidered with little "charms" in spots such as over the heart, and that these underwear our supposed to protect you from harm. My Mom told me, as I was slacked jawed hearing about them for the first time, that there are stories of people in car crashes where they have been burned in places except where the undergarments were.

[MolsonInBothHands]

Just to add... as far as I know, only temple worthy Mormons are supposed to wear the undergarments.

I have never been in a temple, but have read that there is a secret hand shake kind of ritual inside that is a direct rip off of Mason rituals. Anybody confirm this with personal experience? Apparently Joseph Smith was a mason at one point, and possibly borrowed a lot of material.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by MolsonInBothHands

Just to add... as far as I know, only temple worthy Mormons are supposed to wear the undergarments.

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It is my understanding that they are only for people who have been sealed in the temple. I've never heard of the armor thing except in that video that Cheese posted several months ago.

[Thor]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Which Christians? Baptists? Methodists? Catholics?

Or are they a united front?

Yes and no, you should know that by now, depends on the person usually and how they interpret their beliefs. Some could care less, some are deeply offended.

Or do you think Religions aren't offended by other beliefs that contradict theirs?

I mean your sincerely asking me or is this just being apologetic for the sake of assuming my reputation precedes me on this issue?