Bad World Jr. for Greg Nemisz

[cross16]

Originally Posted by Claeren

I hated watching him in the Canada-USA game as he was always the first (only?) forward following the transition play as the Americans sprinted back up the ice. I dont know where his linemates were, probably making a line change, but Nemisz really needs to learn to overcommit on offense and let his defenders worry about defense, because when the Americans have the puck and are attacking why bother wasting ones energy trying to stop them?? Lets face it, goals are where the big money is in the NHL, not defence.


Claeren.

I think that was Desjardins instructions though. I'll leave you on this line, but you ahve to be first back. Desjardins seemed to really preach that becuase just about every line had someone who was coming back early. he seemd to let players like hall, Eberle and Kadri not worry about defence, but other forwards on the line sure had to come back hard.

I thought nemisz was fine and nothing he did changed my opinion of him. I also don't think the world juniors are a tournament for a player like him to shine and given that i thought he perfomed well.

[JustAnotherGuy]

Originally Posted by Claeren

Arent you doing the same thing? Couldnt you have made the same point without adding the "Does it make you feel better?" ??


I wasn't insulting the original poster, I simply thought it was hilarious. I find it funny when people use what essentially amounts a single metric to make a broad generalization about a 19 year old player.

It is not like it was a small part of a large analysis and i dismissed his other points. The entire post is essentially one sentance that says "Greg Nemisz disappointed me with his play at the World Jrs because he only scored one goal."


I would suggest YOU stick to the analysis and skip the insults though, you seem to be a bit too emotionally involved. The site would be a lot better if people stopped publically proclaiming what in their world would make the site a lot better.

It is crossing the line when you ignore a large part of what someone posts or when you worry about minor spelling/grammAr errors, the rest of the time just let people speak as they want to speak. We are not all 4 year olds here needing to be babysat.



Claeren.

Okay, so then you are a 12 year old who has good analysis skills. My mistake.

[HotHotHeat]

The OP's analysis is very surface level, and entirely statistical based. Something you'd seen from Scott Cullen. Works for some, but I'm of the opinion there's more to the game than stats alone...Which is what enough others here haver reiterated. Shutting up now.

[AFireInside]

Hmm...

Originally Posted by JustAnotherGuy

This site would be alot better if people would stick to their thoughts and stop the insults.

Thanks for the analysis. It is well thought out.

Originally Posted by JustAnotherGuy

Okay, so then you are a 12 year old who has good analysis skills. My mistake.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Ring of Fire

If you're gonna score one goal in the tournament, the gold medal game is the game to score it in. While Nemisz was not nearly as flashy as his linemates Kadri and Hall, he created room for the the two smaller faster guys which definitely contributed to the lines success. Like it or not, Nemisz is another power forward in the Flames system.

Whilst this and most of the other posts in this thread are valid, I still feel disappointed that Nemisz didn't produce more.

[icarus]

The team won every game where he failed to score and lost every game where he scored a goal. I say put him on the Flames and make sure he never touches the puck!

[bubbsy]

i think it is justifiable for people to question the kid after the tournament.

for an organization STARVED for scoring talent, from the top line on the big club, to the 4th line of its farm team, it is disappointing to see that a first round forward be a "defensive"/pk guy, who picked up 1 goal the whole tournament on a team that was scoring 6+ goals a game.

[icarus]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

i think it is justifiable for people to question the kid after the tournament.

for an organization STARVED for scoring talent, from the top line on the big club, to the 4th line of its farm team, it is disappointing to see that a first round forward be a "defensive"/pk guy, who picked up 1 goal the whole tournament on a team that was scoring 6+ goals a game.

Okay, fair enough to question him. But the proof is in the pudding. Canada's 2nd best scorer in 2006 was Dustin Boyd and he currently plays for this same scoring-starved organization. Meanwhile on that same team Jonathan Toews finished up with a mere 2 assists. So you never know which way things will go.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by icarus

Okay, fair enough to question him. But the proof is in the pudding. Canada's 2nd best scorer in 2006 was Dustin Boyd and he currently plays for this same scoring-starved organization. Meanwhile on that same team Jonathan Toews finished up with a mere 2 assists. So you never know which way things will go.

excellent point.

u never know till the player comes into the league to see whether they have it or not.

Still, i'd be more willing to put money on a kid who is able to shine in the current level of competition they are in, rather than someone who appeared a bit invisible.

[SeeGeeWhy]

I liked the way Nemisz played despite his stats. Its a very small sample size, for one thing. The second, there is probably a grand total of zero people on this board that know what his coaching staff instructed him to do during the tournament. If we do not know what performance objectives were given to him, how are we supposed to effectively judge how he performed?

[jeremywilhelm]

The WJC team was really poorly coached. Desjardins was probably the worst coach this team has had in the last 5 years. Go figure it costs us another gold.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Still, i'd be more willing to put money on a kid who is able to shine in the current level of competition they are in, rather than someone who appeared a bit invisible.

He is shining in his current level of competition in the OHL, which is a much larger body of work to assess.

[Komskies]

On another note, if Hall doesn't bulk up and gain about 30 pounds, he's going to get severely bullied in the NHL. The kid has some serious skill, but even other kids his age were having their way with him in the WJC.

[MJM]

Originally Posted by bigtmac19

The Nemisz doesn't skate well argument is really getting old.

Just got back from the Spits game, Nemisz with 2 goals, Hall with 2 goals, Henrique with 1 goal 1 assist.

If they would have kept that line together I'm sure the points would have come pretty quickly.

Really not a fan of Desjardins coaching with this team.

Henrique is No. 1 in the OHL for face-off percentage wins (around 80%), but he barely used him.

How is the argument getting old? Just because you don't like?

His skating is a well documented problem. In fact, essentially every scouting report on the guy talks about how poor it is and how he needs to improve it.

He supposively worked on it this summer, so people were anxious to see the results at the World Junior tournament where he'd actually be playing closer to an NHL level and not in the OHL where 70% of the players on the ice don't have a hope of hell of making it to the next level. The result was he failed miserably. Take off your homer glass for a second and rewatch thoses games. His skating wasn't just bad, it was attrocious. He was 3 steps behind every other player on team Canada, US, and Sweden.

Does he have time to improve it? Yes! Am I confident he can get it where it needs to be to fill a scoring role in the top two lines? Not very. Looks to me like another prototypical Sutter player that we already have 4-5 of in the farm system and 4-5 of on the Flames.

As for the convenient "Look at his OHL Stats", the guy plays on a line with Henrique and Hall, and has Fowler and Ellis with him on the PP. Anyone decently talented player could be putting those numbers up with a line like that.

The old "he must have been doing something right to have stayed on Canada's top line" comment that seems to be getting pulled out here I don't really buy either. Where were they do move him? All the other 3 lines were clicking, and even though Nemisz was playing crappy, Hall and Kadri continued to rack up the points. There was no need to break up the chemistry of the other 3 lines. Why Henrique wasn't given a shot on the first line is beyond me. If he wasn't hurt, Willie Desjardins is an idiot for not giving him a shot.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

He is shining in his current level of competition in the OHL, which is a much larger body of work to assess.

True, but the WJC tournament is very important, as we saw him play amongst the world's best at his age.

I agree that you don't write off the prospect due to the tournament, but it is obviously a bit of a disappointment when looking at his individual results.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

True, but the WJC tournament is very important, as we saw him play amongst the world's best at his age.

When it comes to which players will go on to successful NHL careers and which will not- the WJCs have proven to be a very poor gauge.

[Komskies]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

When it comes to which players will go on to successful NHL careers and which will not- the WJCs have proven to be a very poor gauge.

Alexandre Daigle, Eric Daze, and Anders Eriksson come to mind.

[Fire]

Nemisz is no more than a 3rd liner in the NHL. Assuming he makes it to the NHL.

[MJM]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

He is shining in his current level of competition in the OHL, which is a much larger body of work to assess.

He shining on a team that has 4 other stud prospects. Sure the body of work is larger, but the stats are definitely inflated.

Look at Crosby's linemates in junior (Danny Rousin and MA Pouliot). They were leading the CHL in scoring. Inflated stats playing with Crosby got them draft in the first round and second round. Obviously they were talented players, but both were busts professionally because their game didn't translate well. CHL stats don't mean a guy is going to be a great professional player.

With Nemiesz, we've only had one opportunity to see him play at a higher level than the CHL in a best on best tournament. His game didn't translate very well.

[MJM]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

When it comes to which players will go on to successful NHL careers and which will not- the WJCs have proven to be a very poor gauge.

It's a hell of a lot better gauge than the OHL.