Hybrid Parking?! F- THAT.

[Devils'Advocate]

Originally Posted by MJM

Yes, most Calgarians would be upset that stores are providing these spots. This goes beyond promoting a green attitude, this actually infringes upon an individuals rights.

You have a RIGHT to the parking spots closest to the store? Wow.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by MJM

Yes, most Calgarians would be upset that stores are providing these spots. This goes beyond promoting a green attitude, this actually infringes upon an individuals rights.

How???

By suggesting, not legally demanding, that people only park in these spots with certain types of vehicles?

Next thing you will be claiming that Nabisco is infringing upon your rights when their suggested serving of Shreddies portrayed on the box front includes a banana and not the strawberries you would prefer.

I know you really want to be right on this one, but I don't see it happening. I couldn't care much less about the environment right now and if it would save me a few hundred bucks, I would probably not be against dumping toxic chemicals directly into our drinking water, and I still think that it is a good idea for stores to have these signs.

*disclaimer* I really wouldn't dump toxic chemicals into our water, or anything else that would be illegal, but the environment is so low on my list of priorities that it needed an extreme example

[MJM]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

You have a RIGHT to the parking spots closest to the store? Wow.

Everyone has a right to have equal access to the parking spot, not dependent on what type of car you drive.

I'm done with this. You are clearly now arguing for the sake of arguing.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by MJM

I meant the Hybrid Engine Battery, not the engine itself. I don't have time because i'm leaving for the game right now, but the article was in consumer report I believe. Indicated that the expectancy of a hybrid engine battery was between 100,000 and 150,000KMs, and a replacement battery would cost anywhere's between 5 and 10K.

Now they may have improved the technology some since a couple years ago, but that's still alot of engine battery's being replace creating a large amount of waste.

I've seen many articles claiming that the pollution impact from the mining, manufacture, and transport of the nickel for the manufacture of the nickel metal hydride batteries of the Prius is more harmful to the environment than your average gas guzzler. Hopefully Toyota comes out with a lithium solution sooner or later.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by MJM

Yes, most Calgarians would be upset that stores are providing these spots. This goes beyond promoting a green attitude, this actually infringes upon an individuals rights.

After complying with laws regarding disabled access, private businesses have the right to assign and apportion their parking lots as they see fit. It is called reserved parking, and they do it for executives, employees, 15-minute customers, prefered customers and on and on.

I really don't care if you think I'm a jerk because of the car I drive. That's your problem. If you deliberately damage my vehicle, you are committing a crime.

Seriously, grow up.

[Devils'Advocate]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

I've seen many articles claiming that the pollution impact from the mining, manufacture, and transport of the nickel for the manufacture of the nickel metal hydride batteries of the Prius is more harmful to the environment than your average gas guzzler. Hopefully Toyota comes out with a lithium solution sooner or later.

Did you read this thread? This has been addressed, and yes, I agree... (as per a previous post) that lithium is much better and on the way.... (the Volt is going to use Lithium as is the Leaf).

[slcrocket]

Originally Posted by MJM

Yes, most Calgarians would be upset that stores are providing these spots. This goes beyond promoting a green attitude, this actually infringes upon an individuals rights.

Wow, dude, just wow.

I refuse to believe that most Calgarians would be upset that stores are providing these spots. I believe that some rather ignorant Calgarians would be upset, and the majority wouldn't give a rat's ass because it doesn't bother them. The few that are angry and not idiots would just stop shopping/going to said location.

You can think that it's a little odd or weird that these spots would be offered, but to actually get so pissed off about it that you feel like your individual rights are being violated...I don't know what to say to you.

Amazing.

[ken0042]

I "get" MJM's point. Once again- I certainly wouldn't go about keying a car; but I do get what he was trying to say.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by ken0042

I "get" MJM's point. Once again- I certainly wouldn't go about keying a car; but I do get what he was trying to say.

Businesses have the right to attract and cater to the type of customers they think will bring them business.

How is this any different than a dress code?

[ken0042]

I guess I don't do any shopping anywhere that has a dress code.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by ken0042

I guess I don't do any shopping anywhere that has a dress code.

You have no "right" to free complimentary parking.

Metered parking? Different story. First-come, first-served.

[Ace Handy]

Originally Posted by MJM

Yes, most Calgarians would be upset that stores are providing these spots. This goes beyond promoting a green attitude, this actually infringes upon an individuals rights.

Yesterday at Costco I took a quick peek to see if I could get something close, I couldn't, so I headed for the far corner. On my way there I passed a couple with six chins between the two of them looking for a spot. In the three minutes it took me to park and walk back the obese-mobile was still driving around looking for a spot.

All I can say to you that actually care about this is: enjoy your type II diabetes.

[ken0042]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

You have no "right" to free complimentary parking.

Metered parking? Different story. First-come, first-served.

Where did any of this come up from? Did I mention rights to free parking, or metered parking?

The thread is about stores offering preferential treatment to somebody based on the type of vehicle they drive. To me that comes across as being a little arrogant, and sometimes people like to see people who are acting arrogant have something happen to them to put them into their place.

Ideally, I would like to see somebody who parks in one of those hybrid stalls have to wait as the local senior's bus blocks the way to load or unload passengers, and watch the guy begin to loose it a bit behind the wheel. MJM sees somebody keying the car.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by ken0042

The thread is about stores offering preferential treatment to somebody based on the type of vehicle they drive. To me that comes across as being a little arrogant, and sometimes people like to see people who are acting arrogant have something happen to them to put them into their place.

Hybrid owner didn't make the policy. How is he being arrogant? Why does he need to be put "in his place?"

[MJM]

So let me get this straight. If the Flames started to give out prime parking spot sat the Dome on game night based on a persons income, none of you would have a problem with it?

Based on this thread, you are a hypocrite if you do.

[MJM]

Originally Posted by Ace Handy

Yesterday at Costco I took a quick peek to see if I could get something close, I couldn't, so I headed for the far corner. On my way there I passed a couple with six chins between the two of them looking for a spot. In the three minutes it took me to park and walk back the obese-mobile was still driving around looking for a spot.

All I can say to you that actually care about this is: enjoy your type II diabetes.

Won't affect me in the least these spots. I drive an expensive car and park it as far away from the door as possible. I'm just against it principle.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by MJM

So let me get this straight. If the Flames started to give out prime parking spot sat the Dome on game night based on a persons income, none of you would have a problem with it?

Based on this thread, you are a hypocrite if you do.

Flames charge money for parking.

If they want to have a pricing tier based on proximity to the entrance, they are free to do so. No different than how they sell seats.

[ken0042]

Reggie- you are taking people's posts and twisting them. MJM asked you about parking based on income, and you go on to talk about seating/parking prices based on proximity.

You are dodging the question.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by ken0042

Reggie- you are taking people's posts and twisting them. MJM asked you about parking based on income, and you go on to talk about seating/parking prices based on proximity.

You are dodging the question.

Not dodging anything. Wealthier people are better able to afford better transportation, are they not? Does not higher incomes beget privilege? Someone with money wants to pay more to park closer to a venue?

Capitalism, baby.

Business owner wants to bestow certain perks to a particular demographic that does not violate charter of rights? His business decision. He either blunders or profits from it.

You guys keep yammering on about how it's okay to categorize someone based on the brand of automobile they drive. That to me is pretty shallow. Especially if you start condoning vandalism (or even wishing personal inconvenience).

Personally, the hybrid-only parking stall sounds like a bit of a fad. It'll probably die out soon enough.

[MJM]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Not dodging anything. Wealthier people are better able to afford better transportation, are they not? Does not higher incomes beget privilege? Someone with money wants to pay more to park closer to a venue?

Capitalism, baby.

Business owner wants to bestow certain perks to a particular demographic that does not violate charter of rights? His business decision. He either blunders or profits from it.

You guys keep yammering on about how it's okay to categorize someone based on the brand of automobile they drive. That to me is pretty shallow. Especially if you start condoning vandalism (or even wishing personal inconvenience).

Personally, the hybrid-only parking stall sounds like a bit of a fad. It'll probably die out soon enough.

You are dodging the question and just keeping circling it with your BS. There is no corelation between the way the Flames sell tickets and parking. For the Flames tickets, if you want a better seat, you pay a premium. For parking at the game, everyone pays the same $12. If the Flames started saying everyone pays $12, but we are designating all the good spots to those people who make $100K or more there would be a 200 page thread on here and the Alberta Government would likely be involved within a day.

If you believe that these hbyrid spots are perfectly fine, than you also believe what I stated above is fine, it would be alright for people who have more income to have better access to healthcare, etc. If don't, you are a 100% pure hypocrite, and in true calgary puck fashion, are just arguing for the sake of arguing.