Tiger Woods "Transgressions" Thread - Golfin' Ain't Easy

[troutman]

Originally Posted by HOOT

People are supporting him because we as humans are not perfect and deserve second chances. Sure what he did was wrong, but he can't change that, hopefully he and his family can move on.

Plus the coverage on this is just stupid. Every channel you turn to they are still talking about Tiger. He cheated on his wife and he gets more play than people that are murdering people, molesting children, etc. IMHO it is disgusting how this could turn into such a story.

Don't blame the media. This thread has 36,000 views. Tiger might be the most famous person on the planet, and he made this himself.

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by troutman

Don't blame the media. This thread has 36,000 views. Tiger might be the most famous person on the planet, and he made this himself.

I'm not blaming the media I'm blaming the people that are all up in arms "He is a cheater, he is a horrible person, why doens't anyone think of his wife and children?" are the same people tuning in to TMZ every night to get a warm fuzzy feeling watching the the wreak get worse. Let's be honest people don't care about his wife or kids that are following this news story still, they would probably personally like to get their noes in there so they could know everything.

It's just sad.

[Cowperson]

Originally Posted by troutman

Don't blame the media. This thread has 36,000 views. Tiger might be the most famous person on the planet, and he made this himself.

Exactly.

It is a story because we, the overwhelming majority of the common folk, demand it's prominence. We're insatiable.

And this is nothing new.

Ever since two people could spread gossip about the third guy sharing the cave, it's been around. That's who we are. Shameful? No. Humans are curious and, as Captain Picard said when pleading for the lives of his crew under threat from the Xenophobes, "humans cannot resist a mystery. We must know the answer."

In summary, using Picard's pleading with the Xenophobes as an example and as Tiger is finding out to his peril, don't leave clues around for people to puzzle over. We're all over that like a cheap tent at midnight.

It sells only because we want it not because it's fed to us.

It's why the Tiger thread has 36,000 views and the "Good News" thread has a fraction of that. It's not so much the building up and tearing down theory as it an insatiable desire to know what's coming next.

And, as Troutman said, this is a situation of self-immolation. It's the gift that keeps on giving.

Cowperson

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by Cowperson

In summary, using Picard's pleading with the Xenophobes as an example and as Tiger is finding out to his peril, don't leave clues around for people to puzzle over. We're all over that like a cheap tent at midnight.

It sells only because we want it not because it's fed to us.

Exactly. It's why nobody's talking about David Letterman.

And David Letterman is joking about Tiger Woods.

[Cowperson]

Coindicidentally, a fairly beautiful and depthy analysis of why we obsess about celebrity and why we shouldn't apologize for that, in Newsweek:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/226457

Cowperson

[Rerun]

I agree about everyone deserving a second chance...but when does that person no longer deserve a second chance?
When are you willing to admit that the person in question has significant and troubleing character flaws? ie multiple cases of infidelity and dishonesty?

... after the second "transgression"? the third? the fifth? the eighth? the tenth? How many transgressions does it take before you are willing to pull your "support" and just say "This guy is a loser.... no matter how great he is on the golf course". Being able to shoot a round of golf in 10 under par should not give you a free pass on a modicum of human decency and good morals.

[CaptainCrunch]

This wasn't some random mistake by Woods, a mistake would be getting drunk and picking up some piece of strange then feeling terrible about it the next day.

This is a guy that continued to do it over and over again, and actually having someone coordinate the liasons for him. Thats a purpose full action.

The only mistake or oppsey here is that it slipped out.

Now the media needs to start looking for a mixed kid with an amazing natural talent for golf and the circle will be complete.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by fotze

I think I agree wtih both troutman/cowperson and Hoot. This is not the media's fault, but at the same time no one (other than family of them) gives a fata about his wife or kids aside from a.) total liars and b.) complete losers. The people who write into people magazine telling about how they wept hearing about Kirstie Alley's weight struggles.

I think thats a little on the harsh side. Just because I don't know Tiger's wife personally, doesn't mean I don't have empathy for her and feel sorry for her troubles and the embarrassment she's had to endure for the past few weeks as a result of her ass of a husband. As for her children?... meh... not so much as they are still too young to understand what is going on. The embarrassment will come later on in life when they are teased, about their father, by their school mates.

Originally Posted by fotze

Also no one should look down to anyone's reaction to this, whether it be pro-tiger's wang or anti-Tiger's wang. Getting mad at someone for supporting tiger i same as getting mad at someone who is pro Voldemort from Harry Potter. It is all fantasy/fiction to all of us. We don't give a crap hows affects the parties, just that it is really entertaining and grand in scale.

People are perhaps angry because they felt Woods has deceived them? He has projected this clean cut, honest image and now they know that he ain't so clean after all and that he's a liar?

Originally Posted by fotze

This is totally Tiger's fault and he deserves what it brings, some people think he deserves a chance and others don't, don't matter what they think though, it is his "wife" and more importantly, his "image handler".

Maybe a couple indiscretions are forgiveable, but that many is an absolute kick in the fotze to his wife and although I would not be in favor of her shooting him, I would totally understand it. This is all under the premise that this is not a sham marriage to begin with. But that is my opinion, others are a little more loosey gossey on humping around, maybe Tiger's sperm tastes like Phil and Sebastians coffee and women are powerless to its taste.

Agreed. I would love to see Elin's older brother come down and beat the crap out of him for what Tiger's done to his sister. Tiger would deserve that. Tiger definitely, if nothing else, deserves a good ass whoopin by the Nordegren family.

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by HOOT

People are supporting him because we as humans are not perfect and deserve second chances. Sure what he did was wrong, but he can't change that, hopefully he and his family can move on.

Plus the coverage on this is just stupid. Every channel you turn to they are still talking about Tiger. He cheated on his wife and he gets more play than people that are murdering people, molesting children, etc. IMHO it is disgusting how this could turn into such a story.

Obviously everyone deserves a second chance... But Tiger hasn't slipped up and cheated with one, or even two, or hell, even three, other women. He's cheated systematically and had sex with a dozen or more different women. That is ridonkulous.

He can't change it but he could have avoided it after the first six times.

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

Obviously everyone deserves a second chance... But Tiger hasn't slipped up and cheated with one, or even two, or hell, even three, other women. He's cheated systematically and had sex with a dozen or more different women. That is ridonkulous.

He can't change it but he could have avoided it after the first six times.

I would like to make it clear I am not trying to protect Tiger or think what he did was at all right. IMO if you are at that part in your life or marriage just get a divorce.

However I just find it disgusting that with everything that is going on in this world that Tiger cheating on his wife should be the first story, of every news cast. Even with these Doctor being arrested for being linked with illegal steroid distribution the first thing out of people's mouths isn't the doctors name it is "Tiger once dealt with a doctor that..."

If people actually felt bad for his wife, children and family they wouldn't continue to drag them throw the mud along with Tiger. How is some guy in the bushes taking a picture of his wife without a wedding ring helping anyone but the nosey people who are just as much loser living through Hollywood stars lives. Who cares she is not wearing her ring? What type of girl wouldn't throw that on the table for a few weeks after finding out her husband slept with another woman or women?

IMO there are more pressing issues in this world than Tiger Woods and some hookers. And the continued press is only hurting people like his wife and children, more than Tiger.

[CaptainCrunch]

One of the quotes from Batman begins really links the media to the public

Alfred Pennyworth: A long time ago, I was in Burma, my friends and I were working for the local government. They were trying to buy the loyalty of tribal leaders by bribing them with precious stones. But their caravans were being raided in a forest north of Rangoon by a bandit. So we went looking for the stones. But in six months, we never found anyone who traded with him. One day I saw a child playing with a ruby the size of a tangerine. The bandit had been throwing them away.
Bruce Wayne: Then why steal them?
Alfred Pennyworth: Because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by HOOT

IMO there are more pressing issues in this world than Tiger Woods and some hookers. And the continued press is only hurting people like his wife and children, more than Tiger.

I hear what you are saying.

Perhaps this whole Tiger business has caused many people to re-think what it means to be married, and what is important in this world.

[Table 5]

[VladtheImpaler]

Eh. I have no sympathy for anyone involved, but then I am a sociopath. I don't believe this was a real marriage, and even if it was, I would not have sympathy for anyone whose marriage contract was negotiated by a team of lawyers... Elin signed up for $25M at the outset, so she ought to be prepared to put up with a bit of hardship to cash in her investment...

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by troutman

I hear what you are saying.

Perhaps this whole Tiger business has caused many people to re-think what it means to be married, and what is important in this world.

I think it has caused many people to re-think Tiger as a phenomenon and instead he's a ######.

I believe most people already supported or protested against marriage and the Tiger incident didn't change anyone's mind.

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

I think it has caused many people to re-think Tiger as a phenomenon and instead he's a ######.

I believe most people already supported or protested against marriage and the Tiger incident didn't change anyone's mind.

Can't he be a golf phenomenon that is a ######?

I don't see how any of this effects his golf career, but that could just be me. There is business and there is personal. Just like Mike Tyson you can't take away his domination of the boxing world, but you could question his life style outside the sport.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

I think it has caused many people to re-think Tiger as a phenomenon and instead he's a ######.

I believe most people already supported or protested against marriage and the Tiger incident didn't change anyone's mind.

I'd be interested to see if there is a spike in marriage counselling and divorces in 2010.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by Rerun

People are perhaps angry because they felt Woods has deceived them? He has projected this clean cut, honest image and now they know that he ain't so clean after all and that he's a liar?

This is hilarious. What was he supposed to project? "Hi, I'm Tiger Woods, the best golfer and womanizer in the world". Everyone in the public eye projects an image that is partially just marketing. No one gives away the deepest secrets about themselves. No ones going to come out and do an ad that reflects their deepest flaws. If you feel deceived its because you are naive about what rich and powerful men (and women) can do and try to get away with.

If you found out the character flaws of everyone on your list of supposed "clean cut" and "honest" people, you'd probably be horrified.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by HOOT

Can't he be a golf phenomenon that is a ######?

I don't see how any of this effects his golf career, but that could just be me. There is business and there is personal. Just like Mike Tyson you can't take away his domination of the boxing world, but you could question his life style outside the sport.

As long as it doesn't effect the mental side of his game it shouldn't change anything on the course, but that might be a big if. Golf is a very mental game, if he comes out of this less confident or more easily rattled he won't be the same player.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by HOOT

Can't he be a golf phenomenon that is a ######?

I don't see how any of this effects his golf career, but that could just be me. There is business and there is personal. Just like Mike Tyson you can't take away his domination of the boxing world, but you could question his life style outside the sport.

It's depends where you start and how people initially view you.. if that makes sense. If you're seen as a ###### from the start and be a great athlete.. like a Barry Bonds or an A-Rod, then people just see the athletic part.

People hardly remember Tyson's greatness anymore. He's just viewed as a freak. People don't remember Pete Rose's 4000+ hits either.

But people, fairly or unfairly, put Tiger up on such a pedestal where he is arguably the most recognizable athlete in the world. So many people came to golf because of him. They will leave. So many companies and sponsors came to golf because of him. They have left.

You loved golf before Tiger, you're exempt. You're the sports fan, sports fans are the minority.

Here's a simple test for all the guys. If you watch golf, does your wife/gf watch with you? If so, does she only notice if Tiger is playing? Will she now stop to watch Tiger with you anymore or will she just walk away. This is a test for the future when Tiger comes back.

You know as well as anyone that when you play golf, you're naked out there. There are no teammates, no coaches. Everything little thing affects your concentration. He feeds of the huge crowds that follow him. Will crowds still pay big dollars to see him? Fans cheer for heroes.. he no longer is one.