Tiger Woods "Transgressions" Thread - Golfin' Ain't Easy

[speede5]

Originally Posted by Dion

It's okay to cheat and then ask for forgiveness is not a message you pass on to your kids.

Never said it was.

Divorce is sometimes the only way out when trust cannot be earned. Imagine everytime your spouse went on a business trip and you sitting at home wondering if he'll hook up with another gal. My sister faced that situation and decided to kick her ex out of the house as trust was not going to be earned. There are some lines that are crossed and no ammount of apology is going to fix that.

And more often than not that is how these things understandably end. I was only saying that if someone forgives the other person and learns to trust them again then that is noble and should be respected. If they can't, they can't, no one is saying they have to, but in this age where everyone runs for the exits it is refreshing when people fight for their marriage when it hits adversity. To call that person a chump is unfair.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by speede5

And more often than not that is how these things understandably end. I was only saying that if someone forgives the other person and learns to trust them again then that is noble and should be respected. If they can't, they can't, no one is saying they have to, but in this age where everyone runs for the exits it is refreshing when people fight for their marriage when it hits adversity. To call that person a chump is unfair.

Fighting for thier marriage when adversity hits is one thing. One someone in the marriage cheats that's another ball game IMO. Trust is a damned hard thing to gain back when it's broken. It takes a lot more than forgiveness to get a marriage back on track.

Anyone who cheats is a chump in my books and deserves nothing but scorn.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by Dion

Fighting for thier marriage when adversity hits is one thing. One someone in the marriage cheats that's another ball game IMO. Trust is a damned hard thing to gain back when it's broken. It takes a lot more than forgiveness to get a marriage back on track.

Anyone who cheats is a chump in my books and deserves nothing but scorn.

What book is that, the bible?

I'm not arguing in favour of cheating but I can understand that it does happen, and often for a variety of reasons. Its not always as cut and dry as the person being of low morals or being a bad person. Human relationships are complicated things...human behaviour is a complicated thing. In a perfect world every marriage would work, and no one would ever cheat on their spouse. Obviously it isn't a perfect world though.

Kudos to those who can keep together a strong and faithful marriage...its a huge challenge (as far as I know..never been married). But to completely vilify all those who fall off that track is a little harsh in my opinion. Some people are cheaters, some people just make mistakes..some people can't resist temptation. Some people are perfect (or so they would have you think).

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

LOL. Stop with the porn, guys.

[HPLovecraft]

I wonder if those sticking up for cheaters are cheaters themselves.

From my experience, once a cheater, always a cheater. You can try and build trust up again, but one day, maybe a short while after, maybe a long while, it'll go down again. Always does.

There are those who cheat, and those who, even if tempted, don't. Them's the types, it can rationalized all someone wants, but them's the types.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Igottago

What book is that, the bible?

No book - just my own personal opinion of people who cheat.

I'm not arguing in favour of cheating but I can understand that it does happen, and often for a variety of reasons. Its not always as cut and dry as the person being of low morals or being a bad person. Human relationships are complicated things...human behaviour is a complicated thing. In a perfect world every marriage would work, and no one would ever cheat on their spouse. Obviously it isn't a perfect world though.

Judging by the rate at which marriages are failing into todays society it doesn't surprise me to read what Tiger Woods and other people have done. Too me it speaks volumes about societies values and morals. My parents grew up in a world where you were ostrcised by your community if you cheated. You were basicly looked down upon.

Kudos to those who can keep together a strong and faithful marriage...its a huge challenge (as far as I know..never been married). But to completely vilify those who fall off that track is a little harsh in my opinion. Some people are cheaters, some people make mistakes..some people can't resist temptation. Some people are perfect (or so they would have you think).

My parents have a strong faithfull marriage and it has been the same for some good friends of mine. They all had thier struggles but managed to work through them. Niether of them cheated.

If you can't resist temptation then getting into a marriage is a bad thing. Why not admit it that ahead of time and save the partner in your life some grief.

I've never fallen to temptation but that certainly doesn't make me perfect as you would like to think I am.

[Byrns]

Originally Posted by Boblobla

Has this one been posted?

The youtube version, yes twice already.

[Byrns]

Originally Posted by Leeman4Gilmour

http://tsn.ca/golf/story/?id=300932

News conference cancelled due to unforeseen circumstances.

I'm betting these circumstances included a letter of confidentiality and a gym bag full of cash.

Rachel Uchitel has canceled today's press conference where it was assumed she'd confirm an affair with Tiger Woods. RadarOnline reports Tiger's reps have been in negotiation with Rachel all morning and have offered to pay for her silence:

Multiple sources told RadarOnline.com exclusively that Tiger's people are desperate to keep Rachel from talking about Tiger and that they were willing to go a long, long way to keep her silent.
One source claimed that Rachel was negotiating a $1 million payoff by Tiger's people to remain silent. When asked about this, Gloria Allred told RadarOnline.com, "no comment."

What cracks me up is I guarantee Tiger Woods honestly believed these women wanted to have sex with him simply because he's Tiger Woods and not at all for what just happened here. The minute his penis entered their vaginas he must as well have swiped his bank card. Then again, I'm assuming that didn't happen pre-coitus. HA! I'm adorable.

http://thesuperficial.com/2009/12/br...tel_cancel.php

Around the same time Tiger's people began negotiations with Rachel Uchitel last night, Elin Woods was reportedly offered an immediate $5 million payment plus an additional $55 million added to her revised pre-nup if she stays married to Tiger for five more years, according to The Daily Beast:

The lawyer familiar with the couple's negotiations told The Daily Beast that Tiger also has agreed to shorten the original prenup to seven years from the date of marriage, meaning it will vest in another two. And the revised agreement provides for a staggered schedule of payments spread out over five years that could be worth upward of $75 million. So for Elin to collect $80 million, she'll need to stay with Tiger another seven years, be a dutiful wife in showing up with him at social events and in public as if they were still the perfect couple, and sign a nondisclosure form that will prevent her from ever telling her story. Even if she lasts only two more years, she'll still walk away with nearly twice what she was entitled to under the original prenup.
Tiger's advisers, who have successfully gotten the couple into counseling sessions, believe that keeping the marriage intact will help Tiger keep his corporate sponsors and bolster his dented image. Elin is herself considered a good asset. She's never been a publicity hound or used her marriage to make money through self-help books, lecture series, or QVC makeup and jewelry lines. Rather, she's just maintained a low profile and dedicated herself to being a spouse and mother. As opposed to some other celebrities, like Tom Cruise or Angelina Jolie, Elin has never pushed her kids into the public eye. So, now, if she is persuaded to stay, she knows little will be the same. Her quiet life is finished. A Los Angeles-based paparazzo told me that a photo of Elin and the children would fetch $250,000. Some agencies are offering $100,000 just for tips that pay off with photos.

It speaks volume about how much money Tiger is raking in that he's willing to peel off $80 million just to stay married to a woman he'll never see naked again and whose lawyers are probably demanding a billion dollar payout each time he cheats on her. Fortunately, he's got a good golf grip for all that masturbating coming up. High five! -- No, wait, don't!

http://thesuperficial.com/2009/12/el...5_mil_to_k.php

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by Dion

No book - just my own personal opinion of people who cheat.



Judging by the rate at which marriages are failing into todays society it doesn't surprise me to read what Tiger Woods and other people have done. Too me it speaks volumes about societies values and morals. My parents grew up in a world where you were ostrcised by your community if you cheated. You were basicly looked down upon.



My parents have a strong faithfull marriage and it has been the same for some good friends of mine. They all had thier struggles but managed to work through them. Niether of them cheated.

If you can't resist temptation then getting into a marriage is a bad thing. Why not admit it that ahead of time and save the partner in your life some grief.

I've never fallen to temptation but that certainly doesn't make me perfect as you would like to think I am.

The world your parents (and mine) grew up in was surely a different time, but that doesn't neccessarily make it right. You were also probably looked down upon if you got divorced, were homosexual, had an interracial marriage, etc. Maybe society is just getting used to reality now.

Also, people often get married for the wrong reasons and become caught in a life they are unhappy with. Or they are happy at the time of marriage and then it goes down hill. No one can tell the future. Cheating probably isn't the best solution, but is likely a symptom of the problem.

Add to that the fact that men are hard wired to think with our units..and I say that in all seriousness...we are bound to have cheaters. Our natural instincts are to reproduce, and reproduce a lot. Man (and woman) is in a constant battle with that instinct and trying to manage it within our social norms. What tiger woods has done is nothing new, and he wont be the last person to have done it either. He's just got a high profile.

[Kjesse]

Wow that Rachel Uchitel chick is awful. Saving all the text messages and now holding Tiger for ransom? What a complete skank.

I'm not defending Tiger, he deserves whatever comes to him. But for this chick to hold Tiger ransom, that's just plain evil.

She's got the 7 deadly sins almost covered:

Lust
Greed
Wrath
Envy
Pride
Gluttony
Sloth (this one she needs to work on -- actually she has the corresponding virtue, Diligence, because she knows how use her assets)

[REDVAN]

nsfw tag on the thread title? thanks haha

[dre]

I guess people would be singing a different tune if he hit his wife. Since he "only" cheated on her, its easier to accept.

[dre]

Originally Posted by Delgar

Wow that Rachel Uchitel chick is awful. Saving all the text messages and now holding Tiger for ransom? What a complete skank.

I'm not defending Tiger, he deserves whatever comes to him. But for this chick to hold Tiger ransom, that's just plain evil.

She's got the 7 deadly sins almost covered:

Lust
Greed
Wrath
Envy
Pride
Gluttony
Sloth (this one she needs to work on -- actually she has the corresponding virtue, Diligence, because she knows how use her assets)

Tiger is an absolute idiot for texting her in the first place. He should have picked a better person to cheat with.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Igottago

The world your parents (and mine) grew up in was surely a different time, but that doesn't neccessarily make it right. You were also probably looked down upon if you got divorced, were homosexual, had an interracial marriage, etc. Maybe society is just getting used to reality now.

It may not make it right but people were held accountable for thier actions more than they are today. Society has come around in regards to homosexuality and interrracial marriage - which is good. As for divorce it's too readily available that I often wonder if it causes people to not take marriage seriously. I somehow think if it was hard to get people might rethink the reasons they have for getting married.

Also, people often get married for the wrong reasons and become caught in a life they are unhappy with. Or they are happy at the time of marriage and then it goes down hill. No one can tell the future. Cheating probably isn't the best solution, but is likely a symptom of the problem.

Of course no one can tell the future. However if you're not happy in your marriage get some counseling to make it work or get out of it all together. My sisters ex admited after the divorce he was unhappy for many years but didn't have the balls to admit things were not going well so he chose to have affairs with other women.

A good friend of mine got married too early and they both soon realised that. They made attempts to make it work and when it didn't, they got a divorce and went thier seperate ways. No hard feelings on either side.

Add to that the fact that men are hard wired to think with our units..and I say that in all seriousness...we are bound to have cheaters. Our natural instincts are to reproduce, and reproduce a lot. Man (and woman) is in a constant battle with that instinct and trying to manage it within our social norms. What tiger woods has done is nothing new, and he wont be the last person to have done it either. He's just got a high profile.

We may be hard wired to think with our units but that can be controled. Countless people in this world live thier lives without having affairs.

[VladtheImpaler]

The stats quoted by Cowperson show that women cheat only a little less frequently than men... If we are wired to think with our units and spread the seed, what are women looking for... cuddles?

[HPLovecraft]

Is it okay if a guy or a woman steals money from their significant other? I mean, it's only submitting to temptation, and, hey, you might be poor and need money to buy milk for the other children you had with the person you cheated with... Let's rationalize that one, too! You can't blame the person, maybe they got married while they didn't have a job and realized too late that maybe they should have had one first.

[Kybosh]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

The stats quoted by Cowperson show that women cheat only a little less frequently than men... If we are wired to think with our units and spread the seed, what are women looking for... cuddles?

Women look for a couple things in evolutionary terms. First, to get sperminated by superior genes. Second, to have a provider for her children. Those two requirements are not necessarily from the same guy.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Kybosh

Women look for a couple things in evolutionary terms. First, to get sperminated by superior genes. Second, to have a provider for her children. Those two requirements are not necessarily from the same guy.

Explains why I am just a sperminator...

[Kybosh]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

Explains why I am just a sperminator...

You and me both brother. I have women lining up to get some of my superior genes.

[Weiser Wonder]

Originally Posted by Kybosh

Women look for a couple things in evolutionary terms. First, to get sperminated by superior genes. Second, to have a provider for her children. Those two requirements are not necessarily from the same guy.

Theoretically. This isn't exactly proven. Using evolution to explain sex is pretty iffy at this point. Sure, at a basic level evolutionary explanations make a lot of sense. Why do we have high sex drives? To reproduce at a greater level.

But to say women cheat because they are "looking for superior genes" is questionable. Women cheat for a lot of reasons, emotional, sexual etc. It is also questionable to say that women are looking for a provider. Women often marry men and become their provider. So, yeah, not buying it.