11-02-2009, 07:13 PM
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by KTrain
I'm only saying this might not be a bad thing because she is going to get out eventually, whether we like it or not, and I would prefer she has attempted be properly rehabilitated than being locked up for the next 20 years and coming out at 37 years old and being an even bigger burden on society.
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I would be far more satisfied if she stayed all those 20 years in detention reforming and the "experts" were far more certain that she would not do this again and actually felt remorse for murdering her family. Slicing and dicing her little brother while he begged for his life demonstrates a sickness that needs far more than 2 years to fix.
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11-02-2009, 07:54 PM
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#42
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Threads like this make me wonder how in hell the death penalty was ever abolished and for that matter public executions.
It's quite obvious nobody can be rehabilitated and no amount of time locked up is enough to pay for a brutal crime.
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11-02-2009, 08:13 PM
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#43
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by J pold
The real crime? She's not going to get the H1N1 shot! Can you believe that!?
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come on man, this is the Canadian justice system we're talking about, she will get the shot before any of us! 
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11-02-2009, 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by T@T
Threads like this make me wonder how in hell the death penalty was ever abolished and for that matter public executions.
It's quite obvious nobody can be rehabilitated and no amount of time locked up is enough to pay for a brutal crime.
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Because innocent people have been murdered by the death penalty?
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11-02-2009, 09:18 PM
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#45
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by Sowa
Because innocent people have been murdered by the death penalty?
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What about cases like this..where there no question?
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11-02-2009, 09:27 PM
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i think that the thing that has always bothered me the most about this case is that this girl could potentially end up one day working in a position of trust (ie. a teacher) and nobody will be the wiser because her record will be sealed...that just seems so very wrong to me, whether she has been rehabilitated or not...
has anybody read the book that recently came out (think it was written by reporters that followed both trials)? Part of me is interested in reading it...
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11-02-2009, 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by T@T
What about cases like this..where there no question?
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At the time those innocent people were executed everyone thought there was no question as to their guilt.
I for one don't want to be a citizen of a nation that executes 12 year olds.
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11-02-2009, 10:10 PM
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#48
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Originally Posted by valo403
At the time those innocent people were executed everyone thought there was no question as to their guilt.
I for one don't want to be a citizen of a nation that executes 12 year olds.
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Maybe you missed my original post, In case you did you'll see I agree with you. My post was an attack on the posters throwing a 12 year old under the bus for life.
Not only do I agree with abolishing the death penalty, I want to see a 12 year old kid givin a 2nd chance in life. Who knows, she could grow up and find a cure for cancer.
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11-02-2009, 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by T@T
Maybe you missed my original post, In case you did you'll see I agree with you. My post was an attack on the posters throwing a 12 year old under the bus for life.
Not only do I agree with abolishing the death penalty, I want to see a 12 year old kid givin a 2nd chance in life. Who knows, she could grow up and find a cure for cancer.
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Well then we're on the same page.
I'm not familiar enough with the progress of this particular person to really make an assessment on whether she should be released, but the justice system should be about more than incarceration.
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11-02-2009, 10:26 PM
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Criminal sentences should be strong enough to dissuade people from breaking the law they did and allow for rehabilitation. What they should not do is punish people under some principle of justice by sending them to jail for the rest of their lives when they can or have been rehabilitated.
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11-02-2009, 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by T@T
Who knows, she could grow up and find a cure for cancer.
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"I think I've found the cure for you husband's cancer"...."Oh wonderful!!" *walks over and snaps his neck* "There, he won't have to worry about cancer anymore".
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11-02-2009, 10:40 PM
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The message here is this.....if you want someone killed get an underage person to do it. A brief hospital visit and they are out mall-hopping!
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11-02-2009, 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Dion
The message here is this.....if you want someone killed get an underage person to do it. A brief hospital visit and they are out mall-hopping!
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That's certainly not the message. The message is Canada recognizes that criminal sentences should take into regard the age and mindset of the individual and that rehabilitation and prevention are the goals of the justice system.
No 12 year old is sitting at home thinking "Oh, now I can get away with it too!"
Does anyone have the statistics of people who are released after serving their time for murder that murder again? Not a leading question, just wondering if there's any research done on the subject.
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11-02-2009, 11:44 PM
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Crown attorney Ramona Robins didn't oppose the change, but noted concern about the teen's lack of progress in accepting the severity of her crimes.
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Because she sounds like she's so on her way to earning a second chance
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11-03-2009, 01:10 AM
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I really think she needs to stay locked up for another few years in order to really fully realize what she's done. I couldn't bring her into my home knowing what she did to her own flesh and blood.
Two years is way too soon for her to be released back into society.
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11-03-2009, 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by T@T
Maybe you missed my original post, In case you did you'll see I agree with you. My post was an attack on the posters throwing a 12 year old under the bus for life.
Not only do I agree with abolishing the death penalty, I want to see a 12 year old kid givin a 2nd chance in life. Who knows, she could grow up and find a cure for cancer.
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If she was caught robbing a liquor store or dealing drugs, by all means, we should do our best to give her a second or third chance.
But... she butchered her own family in one of Canada's most shocking mass murders.
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11-03-2009, 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by peter12
If she was caught robbing a liquor store or dealing drugs, by all means, we should do our best to give her a second or third chance.
But... she butchered her own family in one of Canada's most shocking mass murders.
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But but but shes just a crazy mixed up kid in a crazy mixed up world 
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11-03-2009, 08:48 AM
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Powerplay Quarterback
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If she's not going to get a full sentence for murdering 3 innocent people because of her age, she should at least have to stay where she until trained professionals are fully confident that she knows what she has done, has dealt with it accordingly and know that she can contribute to society like a normal human being. No sooner should she be a free person.
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